Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

[HorniePonie]

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Holy hell, how did they find out..?

I am already a slave to our cat. I suspect it's a Mossad plot.

 

[SHVRWK]

A little observation on the media coverage.

Since the rise of the social media people have been talking about the death of journalism, and how modern journalism/mainstream media is substandard relative to what it was before... and so on and so forth. I've been borderline obsessively watching the Western media coverage of the Israeli affairs since the Second Intifada. My personal conclusion is that, whilst there is some truth in this (e.g. journalism as profession undoubtedly became less prestigious), the reality is pretty much the opposite.

The truth is, that the social media with all its problems provides a very serious counterweight to the mainstream media and de-facto represents the system of journalistic checks and balances, which simply didn't exist before. Case in point, twenty years ago the incident above would be presented by BBC/CNN/NYT as Israel just "ruthlessly attacking the hospital" and this would be the end of it. All the official protests and explanations, even accompanied by actual evidence, would have never reached the wider audience, simply out of lack of alternative medium (e.g. the infamous Muhammad Al-Durrah case). I've seen it all happening thousands of times.

Yep, I started to notice this since the Syrian civil war and the 2014 Donbas conflict. The Russian invasion solidified it as I found myself relying on Reddit, Twitter, Telegram and 4chan for footage and info which would be posted hours(sometimes days) before it gets reported on MSM. You'd get notified of Russians/Ukrainians warnings about an incoming attack or missile strike via their relative Telegram channels or screenshots of said channels on Twitter/Reddit, hours later you get footage of the aftermath and geolocators on Twitter pinpointing the exact strike location and doing damage assessment through satellite imagery. Some YouTuber later uploads a video doing their own analysis.

I personally found the news anchors to be very dull and way less professional than some OSINT/geolocation Twitter pages. Their predictions tend to be hit or miss too.

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[m208]

in the middle of austin texas..... ya this world is doomed

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[IDF_TANKER]

Still happens, just now it's enhanced by algorithms filtering out "undesirable" content.

That clip won't make it into the MSM and most social media companies will hide it from the larger audience to the point where pnly people specifically looking for such content find it.

Government and corporate political bias now with added corporate and academic bias.

People like Ryan McBeth talking about Israel having to tread lightly to not lose the information war, when Israel lost that already since 1947 simply due to it's existence.

Yes and no. Think Al-Ahli Arab Hospital incident - without alternative mass media platform to provide the evidence, BBC/NYT etc would have totally gotten away with this, no doubt in my mind.

 

[Fluff]

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Holy hell, how did they find out..?

as long as they dont S**t on the pavements, sign me up!

 

[HorniePonie]

Yep, I started to notice this since the Syrian civil war and the 2014 Donbas conflict. The Russian invasion solidified it as I found myself relying on Reddit, Twitter, Telegram and 4chan for footage and info which would be posted hours(sometimes days) before it gets reported on MSM. You'd get notified of Russians/Ukrainians warnings about an incoming attack or missile strike via their relative Telegram channels or screenshots of said channels on Twitter/Reddit, hours later you get footage of the aftermath and geolocators on Twitter pinpointing the exact strike location and doing damage assessment through satellite imagery. Some YouTuber later uploads a video doing their own analysis.

I personally found the news anchors to be very dull and way less professional than some OSINT/geolocation Twitter pages. Their predictions tend to be hit or miss too.

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News articles covering the war are in many cases directly composed from tweets and OSINT posts these days anyway. The same content and same photos with some editorial comments. Feels a bit useless to read them.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Yes and no. Think Al-Ahli Arab Hospital incident - without alternative mass media platform to provide the evidence, BBC/NYT etc would have totally gotten away with this, no doubt in my mind.

And despite proof it was done by Hamas, you still have politicians and mainstream news agencies saying Israel dropped a bomb on the hospital.

 

[Vorph]

Yes and no. Think Al-Ahli Arab Hospital incident - without alternative mass media platform to provide the evidence, BBC/NYT etc would have totally gotten away with this, no doubt in my mind.

The damage is still done unfortunately, pretty much all of the Arab/muslim world believes Israel was responsible.

Current reporting standards are:

"hamas said this

IDF said that

we cannot independently verify anything"

 

[Mike1976]

Yes and no. Think Al-Ahli Arab Hospital incident - without alternative mass media platform to provide the evidence, BBC/NYT etc would have totally gotten away with this, no doubt in my mind.

And despite proof it was done by Hamas, you still have politicians and mainstream news agencies saying Israel dropped a bomb on the hospital.

It would likely still have gotten out because politicians with access to intelligence reports would have reported (/leaked) it, but it would have gotten less attention (though some media still haven't retracted the story). Imo the reason it did this time isn't just to do with social media, but more so with broader spectrum political support for Israel in a fair number of countries and the implication that biased reporting might lead to funding cuts or advertisers walking away.

For the same reason why a book on the history of IG Farben will have a disproportionately large chapter on the 1940's.

 

[Mike1976]

The damage is still done unfortunately, pretty much all of the Arab/muslim world believes Israel was responsible.

Current reporting standards are:

"hamas said this

IDF said that

we cannot independently verify anything"

In the Netherlands it's predominately "The Gaza Health Ministry says" and "Israel claims" with the "cannot independently be verified" being used sparingly for the former and consistently for the latter.

 

[Vorph]

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[Ivan le Fou]

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Coming from the same people who hailed "Ukr gay battalions" and fawned over Ashton-then-Sarah-then-Ashton again.

But now being a gay-Israeli is being a bootlicking drone.

 

[Mike1976]

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Coming from the same people who hailed "Ukr gay battalions" and fawned over Ashton-then-Sarah-then-Ashton again.

But now being a gay-Israeli is being a bootlicking drone.

The blank stare you get when their logical fallacies and circular reasoning do not compute and they enter an infinite loop.

 

[Redav]

 

[SHVRWK]

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Coming from the same people who hailed "Ukr gay battalions" and fawned over Ashton-then-Sarah-then-Ashton again.

But now being a gay-Israeli is being a bootlicking drone.

The radioactive meltdown this picture is causing here on social media is incomprehensible, they're calling it demonic conquest now. JDAMs, Merkavas and D9s were something acceptable apparently, but this gay S**t? Nah... this is an apocalyptic takeover and a sign from god according to Arab SM. And yet Western progressives still do the 'Queers for Palestine' thing.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

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[Ivan le Fou]

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[IDF_TANKER]

An Israeli prankster calls the Harvard admissions office. Apparently for real…

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A friend of mine, who lived in US says it’s just a typical American by-the-book bureaucratic attitude… I dunno, it’s all a little too much for me…