Politics South China Sea Thread

Amid trade tensions, US warships challenge Chinese claims in South China Sea

"The operation comes as US trade talks with China, once believed to be in their final stages, appeared to be put at risk after President Donald Trump placed the negotiations into question with a series of tweets threatening new tariffs on Monday."

 
China Launches Two New Missile Destroyers Amid US Show of Force in S China Sea

Over the past two weeks, the US and its regional allies demonstratively sailed through the disputed maritime territory, with six vessels including two US guided missile destroyers taking part in 'enhanced interoperatibility' drills last week.

Two Type 052D guided missile destroyers were simultaneously launched from a shipyard in Dalian, northeast China on Friday, China's Huanqiu Shibao newspaper has reported.
The vessels, christened the Tangshan and the Suzhou, are the 19th and 20th ships in their class, respectively.

 
China keeps eye on PH-US coast guard drills in South China Sea

ABOARD BRP BATANGAS, West Philippine Sea — With Chinese government ships watching from a distance, one of the US Coast Guard’s biggest and most advanced vessels conducted drills with Philippine counterparts near the Scarborough Shoal in the West Philippine Sea (WPS).

BRP Batangas and BRP Kalanggaman joined the USCGC Bertholf on Tuesday for capacity-building exercises 50 nautical miles from Subic Bay.

 
Permitting aggressive tactics in the South China Sea is in no one’s interests
30 May 2019
Canberra, we have a problem. It’s the public diplomacy around Australia’s relationship with the Chinese state—in particular, the People’s Liberation Army and the civilian and militia elements that operate with it in the South China Sea.

The Royal Australian Navy has just finished its largest task force deployment in recent years, called Indo-Pacific Endeavour 2019. Four RAN ships visited 13 ports in seven countries and covered approximately 16,000 nautical miles. The naval flotilla, which embarked air force and army personnel, together with Seahawk, MRH-90 troop transport and Tiger armed reconnaissance helicopters, travelled from Sri Lanka right through Southeast Asia and into the South China Sea.

A ream of ‘public affairs’ material was produced for Australian and international media over the three- month deployment—more than 800 images, 100 articles and 40 videos covering a range of activities including disaster assistance planning, community engagement, multinational naval manoeuvres and military training with regional partners in India, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

No doubt, the deployment achieved much good in deepening Australia’s relationships in the region. It’s been a fine exercise in regional presence and showcasing of Australian capability, along with building the capacity to work closely with regional militaries in an increasingly difficult part of the world. Let this deployment become the new normal and be part of a persistent operational presence working closely with regional partners’ forces.

But in all the words and images that were produced by what was apparently the largest public affairs team ever deployed on a RAN ship, there was not a word about one of the biggest things that happened during the three months at sea: the crews of fishing vessels used lasers against Australian helicopter pilots operating in international waters in the South China Sea, causing them to have to land their aircraft for precautionary reasons.

That’s a dangerous set of acts against Australian service personnel. Affecting the vision of helicopter pilots in the difficult environment that defines seaborne operations exposes them to additional risks.

The story was revealed in The Strategist yesterday by Euan Graham, an academic who travelled on the task force command ship, HMAS Canberra, with the navy as part of Indo-Pacific Endeavour. We don’t yet have confirmation that the fishing vessels were Chinese. However, no other fishing fleets have a track record of doing this in the South China Sea, and no other nation has the motive to do so there when it comes to the presence of the Australian navy.

We do know that Chinese fishing fleets, along with militia and coastguard vessels, are core elements of the Chinese state’s successful strategy of seizing disputed parts of the South China Sea and exerting its control.

But, maybe as disturbing as the danger that those who lasered Australian helicopter pilots created, we also know that when it came to public comment about the task force’s time in the South China Sea, we heard a lot of positive things, and not a word about the reality of the lasering incident.

The task force commander, Air Commodore Richard Owen, told ABC Radio:

As we normally are, we were engaged by other navies; it wasn’t just Chinese, the Indonesian navy hailed us.
I’ve figured out in my three months’ journey with the navy, they’re quite a friendly bunch. They will get hails as they go past from different ships. They’ll want to know who we are, where we’re going and what our intentions are.
The Chinese were no different. They were friendly, they were professional and said g’day.
Either he was actively avoiding mentioning the dangerous behaviour of fishing vessels and the risks it posed to Australian service personnel, or pointing lasers at helicopter pilots is just another way of saying g’day.

The idea that the task force commander simply didn’t know about the actions can be ruled out. This kind of operational incident would certainly have made its way to him rapidly, and then from him to the defence force’s operational command at Bungendore near Canberra. In fact, every activity of the Australian task force in the South China Sea would have been managed and run with the risks of engaging with Chinese vessels—military, coastguard, militia and fishing vessels—uppermost in the minds of naval planners.

What I don’t get about the way this has been handled to date is whose interests it serves to hide what happens when Australian service personnel operate lawfully in the waters of the South China Sea.

I know it’s in the interests of the Chinese state to have those subject to its aggressive behaviour keep silent—that helps portray those who do speak up, notably the US, as isolated on this issue.

However, part of the rationale for the task force going through the South China Sea is to affirm international law and maintain free international waterways. That’s necessary because of the aggressive militarisation of that body of water by Chinese forces in recent years.

Clearly, working with the Vietnamese navy in the South China Sea was part of this—and according to Euan Graham, again, this required the task force to go out of its way to include Vietnam in the activity.

But to have the strategic communications effect that you would hope would be at the heart of the deployment, it seems essential to publicise the aggressive and dangerous behaviour of these fishing vessels—and to make every effort to identify the nation operating them so that the incidents can be raised formally to prevent a recurrence.

I would be surprised if imagery and other information from the deployment at the time of the incidents can’t show this right now.

Pretending that none of this happened, and that it was an entirely problem-free and friendly time in the South China Sea, is self-defeating. It leaves the Australian public out of the loop when it comes to the risks our service personnel are running to preserve freedom of navigation and push back against aggressive on-water tactics that are licensed by the highest level of national leadership in China.

It also downplays the commitment of our defence force in protecting national and international interests in the security and openness of the waters of our region.

Lastly, this episode raises questions about what else might have happened on this deployment, and whether there were any other actions by Chinese fishing vessels—or militia, coastguard, aircraft or even PLA Navy vessels themselves—that we have yet to hear about. Maybe there are other ways they said g’day.

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Seriously, you guys are itching for a fight you cant win? The commander never mentioned simply because they are a god damn navy and they wont bitch and moan over green laser lights being flashed at them. Green laser lights are a bane for all pilots and is almost everywhere now. Along with signals jammers and what not. I wouldnt be surprised if some illegal fishermen have those on their ships for shits and giggle and to block out prying eyes. Hardly something to make a fuzz over.... I would have buzzed them or just turn my weather radar on their ship frying their balls.
 
Seriously, you guys are itching for a fight you cant win? The commander never mentioned simply because they are a god damn navy and they wont bitch and moan over green laser lights being flashed at them. Green laser lights are a bane for all pilots and is almost everywhere now. Along with signals jammers and what not. I wouldnt be surprised if some illegal fishermen have those on their ships for shits and giggle and to block out prying eyes. Hardly something to make a fuzz over.... I would have buzzed them or just turn my weather radar on their ship frying their balls.
Media's gotta do what media's gotta do mate, and understanding the why and why not usually escapes them (Y)
 
The "meow" im pretty sure came from a Filipino aircraft flying along the airways.
 
Perhaps chinese version of FON?


Well, chinese operatives/assets are already within and circling around the Philippines, perhaps just waiting for a go signal to invade...

 
China's actions are getting bolder nowadays perhaps because China-Russia alliance is likewise getting stronger, in fact both are making bold moves around the region lately. I really doubt that US and allies can ever win a war against China & Russia, so if there still a way for US to reach out and improve relationship with Russia and persuade her to stay neutral, she must do it before it is too late...or perhaps it is already too late?
 
Stop the fantasy, there will be no invasion... if you really think that China and Russia will work together you have to get to know both countries.
 
Stop the fantasy, there will be no invasion... if you really think that China and Russia will work together you have to get to know both countries.
Well, if we will capitulate without any fight and declare every town and city in the Philippines "open city" to china, then you are right there will never be chinese invasion in the Philippines.

This is no fantasy, even Pentagon knows what china is up to (i.e. rapid military modernization, BRI, militarization in the south china sea, etc.) and its ambition, of course china will not invade Philippines first, it will start by taking back Taiwan and then next the Philippines to secure the 1st island chain...if they are going secure the whole south china sea then they have to take the 1st island chain to do it. Countries with agenda/objectives and ambitions will do anything to fulfill it, like the Allied Forces and USSR against Hitler in WW2, like Stalin and Hitler on invasion of Poland in 1939, like US and communist China to contain USSR and Vietnam, etc....as they say "there is no permanent friends and allies, only permanent interest".

Dude, never say never, only time will tell. Duterte has done his best to play with China and buy time but China is also aware of this strategy, Duterte or his successor will have to decide sooner or later which side we are really on.
 
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'The time has come': Duterte to invoke PH arbitral win in fifth China visit

President Rodrigo Duterte will finally raise Manila’s 2016 arbitral victory, which invalidated Beijing’s sweeping maritime claims, when he visits China later this month.
Duterte, in a speech on Tuesday afternoon, confirmed plans to discuss the arbitral ruling with his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping during his upcoming trip, his fifth as President.
“‘Yung arbitral ruling, pag-usapan natin ‘yan (We will talk about the arbitral ruling). That’s why I’m going to China,” he said during the oath-taking of newly-elected officials of the Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry, Inc.

 
Well, if we will capitulate without any fight and declare every town and city in the Philippines "open city" to china, then you are right there will never be chinese invasion in the Philippines.

This is no fantasy, even Pentagon knows what china is up to (i.e. rapid military modernization, BRI, militarization in the south china sea, etc.) and its ambition, of course china will not invade Philippines first, it will start by taking back Taiwan and then next the Philippines to secure the 1st island chain...if they are going secure the whole south china sea then they have to take the 1st island chain to do it. Countries with agenda/objectives and ambitions will do anything to fulfill it, like the Allied Forces and USSR against Hitler in WW2, like Stalin and Hitler on invasion of Poland in 1939, like US and communist China to contain USSR and Vietnam, etc....as they say "there is no permanent friends and allies, only permanent interest".

Dude, never say never, only time will tell. Duterte has done his best to play with China and buy time but China is also aware of this strategy, Duterte or his successor will have to decide sooner or later which side we are really on.
and what would China gain in this fantasy of yours
 
and what would China gain in this fantasy of yours
ummmm...territory?

You seem to be in a state of denial, I am not saying it going to happen 100%, but recent developments in the region shows (not to mention pronouncements of high ranking PLA and CCP party officials) that it is likely going to happen...there is no harm in being cautious and prepared for any eventuality, complacency on the hand kills.
 
Manila, Philippines (August 7, 2019) – The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike Group arrived in Manila for a brief port call that highlights the strong community and military connections between Philippines and the United States on August 7.
The Ronald Reagan Carrier Strike group includes Nimitz class aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) and the Ticonderoga class guided-missile cruisers USS Chancellorsville (CG 62) and USS Antietam (CG 54).

 
ummmm...territory?

You seem to be in a state of denial, I am not saying it going to happen 100%, but recent developments in the region shows (not to mention pronouncements of high ranking PLA and CCP party officials) that it is likely going to happen...there is no harm in being cautious and prepared for any eventuality, complacency on the hand kills.
Territory for what? Keeping the Philippines as it is, is far more beneficial to China. When was the last time you have heard of a nation occupy invade an entire nation to keep it under its territory?

Me in denial? You seem to be living in fantasy land. Who said anything about complacency? Theres a big difference in preparing for likely events to happen and out right fantasy hollywood expectations.
 
Territory for what? Keeping the Philippines as it is, is far more beneficial to China. When was the last time you have heard of a nation occupy invade an entire nation to keep it under its territory?

Me in denial? You seem to be living in fantasy land. Who said anything about complacency? Theres a big difference in preparing for likely events to happen and out right fantasy hollywood expectations.
OK you have your opinion and I got mine, so let us just wait what will happen then...I really do wish that you are right, who wants a war anyway.

Back to the topic, a CSG and an ESG (headed north) are currently deployed in the proximity of SCS.

 
The war will mostly be at sea in Islands you will never set foot on or even see. There will be no invasion of the mainland as some have fantasized
 

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