Crime Russian opposition figure hospitalized

[BCNTM]

Alexei Navalny has 'bank accounts frozen and flat seized'

Russia's key opposition figure, recovering from a poisoning, has had his assets frozen, his team says.

www.bbc.co.uk

no money - no house

 

[BCNTM]

Russian spy accused of killing Litvinenko to head up Navalny probe

Andrei Lugovoy, 54, is high up in Moscow's Security and Anti-Corruption committee which has been tasked with probing the latest poison attack on an anti-Kremlin figure.

www.dailymail.co.uk

great choice - final report will be I didn't do it - honest

 

[nicememe]

Speculations floating around, hinting at the idea that Navalny's coma was caused by Hypoglycemia and failure of adrenal glands. The fact that Russian medics spotted low sugar in his system, and the fact that the main doctor responsible for Navalny's treatment in Germany (Kai-Uwe Eckardt) specializes specifically in this kind of S**t, is interesting. Can be caused either by alcohol or poisoning.
Could also explain his fast recover after receiving medical treatment, and why WMDs are unlikely to be the cause. ?

 

[Fluff]

Speculations floating around, hinting at the idea that Navalny's coma was caused by Hypoglycemia and failure of adrenal glands. The fact that Russian medics spotted low sugar in his system, and the fact that the main doctor responsible for Navalny's treatment in Germany (Kai-Uwe Eckardt) specializes specifically in this kind of S**t, is interesting. Can be caused either by alcohol or poisoning.
Could also explain why he was able to recover after receiving medical treatment, and why WMDs are unlikely to be the cause. ?

I think we all know the cause found wont be poisoning.........

I hope you understand that this would not mean he wasnt poisoned......

 

[nicememe]

I think we all know the cause found wont be poisoning.........

I hope you understand that this would not mean he wasnt poisoned......

Yeah of course, but not by a WMD

 

[Fluff]

I have a suspect list:

1. Cliff Richard
2. Trump
3. Merkel
4. The Clangers
5. The Cybermen

Now only one of these has access to WMD.......

 

[Mike1976]

I have a suspect list:

3. Merkel

Now only one of these has access to WMD.......

You have obviously never heard about Merkel's East German potato soup recipe

 

[Fluff]

You have obviously never heard about Merkel's East German potato soup recipe

I hate their potato dumplings - 1 part potato, 3 parts lard.....

 

[Kriva]

This "poisoning" stinks a little bit.
I'm seriously struggling to find any benefits for Putin to poison that guy.
Zero threath to his rule or party.
Political preferences, hair thickness above zero.

On other hand Nordstream 2 and more useless sanctions from EU rats.

 

[Fluff]

This "poisoning" stinks a little bit.
I'm seriously struggling to find any benefits for Putin to poison that guy.
Zero threath to his rule or party.
Political preferences, hair thickness above zero.

On other hand Nordstream 2 and more useless sanctions from EU rats.

of course, same is true of the Salisbury attack - no benefit to Putin, so it wasnt him......

As per previous, someone has got hold of it[but not Russia] and goes round poisoning people who have harmed Russia, or who are against Putin - and only these people, no drug smugglers, no bank holdups, just people related to Russia......

 

[Fluff]

I'm just wondering how long it will take nicememe to figure out who the clangers are.....

 

[Kriva]

of course, same is true of the Salisbury attack - no benefit to Putin, so it wasnt him......

As per previous, someone has got hold of it[but not Russia] and goes round poisoning people who have harmed Russia, or who are against Putin - and only these people, no drug smugglers, no bank holdups, just people related to Russia......

Many thanks for the reply.
I didn't claim that it wasn't Putin so I'm strugling to comprehend your reply,sorry.

Can you help me to find any benefits for Putin to "poison" that guy ?
Thanks

Ps. This Novichok is pretty crappy chemical weapon. Flu is more potent

 

[Fluff]

Many thanks for the reply.
I didn't claim that it wasn't Putin so I'm strugling to comprehend your reply,sorry.

Can you help me to find any benefits for Putin to "poison" that guy ?
Thanks

Ps. This Novichok is pretty crappy chemical weapon. Flu is more potent

I must have misunderstood 'no benefit' etc.

it depends on what 'the poisoner' wants to achieve, if its fear in his henchmen, I'd say it would probably work, wouldnt you?

alternatively, 'the poisoner' simply gets off on having the power, and the means to do this, and chooses what most would see as 'minor' irritants, to do it to....

I dont know, I didnt do it......

Presumably as a weapon it was going to be used against say a military unit, of hundreds or thousands, that fact that when used against 1 or 2 people, there is a 60-80% survival rate is down to the medics, and probably the huge resources used on these few patients. Against a thousand soldiers, you would lose a lot.

 

[BCNTM]

I'm seriously struggling to find any benefits for Putin to poison that guy.

Okay lets put it this way if you are you going to oppose Putin if you know you are going to get poisoned - no

So scatter a little about every so often - but not the 100% deadly stuff and away you go

Putin is now president gangster for life and hopefully someone will poison him in the most horrible way in due course

 

[Kriva]

I must have misunderstood 'no benefit' etc.

it depends on what 'the poisoner' wants to achieve, if its fear in his henchmen, I'd say it would probably work, wouldnt you?

alternatively, 'the poisoner' simply gets off on having the power, and the means to do this, and chooses what most would see as 'minor' irritants, to do it to....

I dont know, I didnt do it......

Presumably as a weapon it was going to be used against say a military unit, of hundreds or thousands, that fact that when used against 1 or 2 people, there is a 60-80% survival rate is down to the medics, and probably the huge resources used on these few patients. Against a thousand soldiers, you would lose a lot.

Thanks
Didn't think about the psychological side of things at all.

Doctrine of killing traitors who run away is long established, does it need to be reinforced ?
Stroking his ego, I will do it because I can.?

Western response in 2015 post Crimea return to Russia (I don't care if rightfully or wrongly it's done) was introduction of sanctions.
Measured and well targeted to that extent that Germans are now claiming that they have done little to no damage and gave Russians a slap/wake up call
5 years are gone and we are no closer in bringing Russians to the heel, WTF ?
Nordstream neraly done, sanctions as effective as Novichok what are we going to do ?

 

[Kriva]

Okay lets put it this way if you are you going to oppose Putin if you know you are going to get poisoned - no

So scatter a little about every so often - but not the 100% deadly stuff and away you go

Putin is now president gangster for life and hopefully someone will poison him in the most horrible way in due course

Okay, thanks for the response.

 

[nicememe]

I must have misunderstood 'no benefit' etc.

it depends on what 'the poisoner' wants to achieve, if its fear in his henchmen, I'd say it would probably work, wouldnt you?

alternatively, 'the poisoner' simply gets off on having the power, and the means to do this, and chooses what most would see as 'minor' irritants, to do it to....

I dont know, I didnt do it......

Presumably as a weapon it was going to be used against say a military unit, of hundreds or thousands, that fact that when used against 1 or 2 people, there is a 60-80% survival rate is down to the medics, and probably the huge resources used on these few patients. Against a thousand soldiers, you would lose a lot.

The ultimate conclusion is that you reaaaaaaaaally need to stretch your imagination to come up with any workable explanation as to why Putin or the Russian state would be involved in poisoning Navalny.
But you know how the saying goes: If it looks like a lie, swims like a lie, and quacks like a lie, then it probably is a lie.

My general observation is that the main reason some find it hard to come to terms with the idea that Russian state had nothing to do with this situation, is because they find it hard to come to terms with the idea that intelligence agencies that aren't of Russian descent can also play dirty. That kind of undermines the whole "democratic paradise" myth in their heads. And ultimately leads to the creation of stretched-out self-contradicting theories.

 

[nicememe]

Okay lets put it this way if you are you going to oppose Putin if you know you are going to get poisoned - no

Doesn't really work that great, considering pretty much no one in Russia believes Navalny was poisoned by Putin.
So that's mission failed, if he intended to scare potential future opponents ?
Like I said here.
No matter how you twist and turn the story, it just doesn't make any sense.

 

[BCNTM]

Doesn't really work that great, considering pretty much no one in Russia believes Navalny was poisoned by Putin.
So that's mission failed, if he intended to scare potential future opponents ?
Like I said here.
No matter how you twist and turn the story, it just doesn't make any sense.

You are talking to the wrong Russians then

 

[morris]

of course, same is true of the Salisbury attack - no benefit to Putin, so it wasnt him......

As per previous, someone has got hold of it[but not Russia] and goes round poisoning people who have harmed Russia, or who are against Putin - and only these people, no drug smugglers, no bank holdups, just people related to Russia......

It was a helping hand to Theresa May with brexsit plan