Warfare HAMAS attack on Israel, Oct 2023 & Iran’s Proxies.

[Cron]

'kin ave it, ya prick!

 

[Vorph]

Ladies and gentleman, we got him!!!

 

[Fluff]

The only way for 1701 to work is if the buffer zone is occupied by the IDF.

Israel said demining along Golan frontier, signaling op against Hezbollah could widen

Sources tell Reuters that Israeli forces are moving fence in demilitarized zone with Syria, suggesting they could move to strike Lebanese terror group from further east

www.timesofisrael.com

Is there any way Lebanon could do it, if we paid and equipped them, and provided drone and air support from Cyprus/CV.

 

[Fluff]

Very true, but they don't seem to do very well connecting dots, either.

I hear they are getting better. After Yemen, it wouldnt surprise me if those Free Confederate Air Force B2's start popping up over some expensive bunkers in Iran....

 

[Fluff]

This may unfortunately spell very bad news for the hostage situation, every bit of intelligence gathered so far indicated he was always in the vicinity of Israeli human shields, and there was no presence of any hostages being in the area when he was killed. This may suggest that they've been executed before he left the safety of tunnels (the ones in Hamas hands, other groups allegedly hold hostages too). I hope I'm wrong about this...

its an incalculable issue, and was from the beginning. Israel couldnt sit back because of the hostages. Hamas couldnt release them because Israel would come in harder(hamas thought) Nobody knows how many are left alive. And yes killing Sinwar could lead to hostages being killed, but sadly that could have happened for another reason, or already happened.

Presumably Israel will make a cash offer plus resettlement to anyone giving up a hostage?

 

[Mike1976]

This may unfortunately spell very bad news for the hostage situation, every bit of intelligence gathered so far indicated he was always in the vicinity of Israeli human shields, and there was no presence of any hostages being in the area when he was killed. This may suggest that they've been executed before he left the safety of tunnels (the ones in Hamas hands, other groups allegedly hold hostages too). I hope I'm wrong about this...

The hostages are the only bargaining chip Hamas has left. They were counting on Israel tip-toeing around Gaza like in previous campaigns to prevent civilian casualties and being able to inflict heavy casualties on the IDF because of both types of human shields. That failed because Nethanyahu, Galant & co. mostly gave up caring (still only 1.4-1 ratio which is amazing) what the rest of the world thinks.

If the US election goes the way it looks like it's heading right now they could level Gaza, build a resort and parking lot there and Trump would still be cheering them on and Hamas knows the window where they can rely on any US political pressure on Israel might be closing.

It is said that Sinwar was personally opposed to any hostage deal. If the remaining smart people in Hamas want to make it into the new year they might want to reconsider their current strategy.

 

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[Mike1976]

its an incalculable issue, and was from the beginning. Israel couldnt sit back because of the hostages. Hamas couldnt release them because Israel would come in harder(hamas thought) Nobody knows how many are left alive. And yes killing Sinwar could lead to hostages being killed, but sadly that could have happened for another reason, or already happened.

Presumably Israel will make a cash offer plus resettlement to anyone giving up a hostage?

Where Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran made the mistake, and what Western people cannot comprehend, is imo that besides Israeli PMs, government leaders in the security field and heads of intelligence agencies virtually all being former members of the IDF (and not the -rear with the gear-type) as we know and so accustomed to making decisions where sacrificing a few pawns is sometimes the better option for the force as a whole, especially in the long run, everyone underestimated just how ruthless Nethanyahu can be.

They thought they could do as they pleased, hide behind the hostages, civilians and biased MSM reporting forcing the hands of western politicians to force Israel to release all prisoners, withdraw from the West Bank etc. In response they expected Gotchic Serpent, but got Desert Storm.

Oct. 7 was only the partial plan, attacks from Hezbollah and the West Bank were also part of the plan, but Hamas seemingly accelerated their part of the plan because the Nova festival was too good of an opportunity. Had they not and the plan carried out as originally intended I wouldn't be surprised if the Samson Option would have been brought up by the hawkish elements of the government.

 

[muck]

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Ladies and gentleman, we got him!!!

Excellent news!

 

[Fluff]

Where Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran made the mistake, and what Western people cannot comprehend, is imo that besides Israeli PMs, government leaders in the security field and heads of intelligence agencies virtually all being former members of the IDF (and not the -rear with the gear-type) as we know and so accustomed to making decisions where sacrificing a few pawns is sometimes the better option for the force as a whole, especially in the long run, everyone underestimated just how ruthless Nethanyahu can be.

They thought they could do as they pleased, hide behind the hostages, civilians and biased MSM reporting forcing the hands of western politicians to force Israel to release all prisoners, withdraw from the West Bank etc. In response they expected Gotchic Serpent, but got Desert Storm.

Oct. 7 was only the partial plan, attacks from Hezbollah and the West Bank were also part of the plan, but Hamas seemingly accelerated their part of the plan because the Nova festival was too good of an opportunity. Had they not and the plan carried out as originally intended I wouldn't be surprised if the Samson Option would have been brought up by the hawkish elements of the government.

agree, and in some way our politicans 'give off' that peacemaker vibe. But if Ireland started lobbing missiles at Liverpool, I think UK prime Ministers would actually 'go in'. In some ways we are giving off a false signal of tolerance, to other beliefs, politics or whatever.

I also take the view, that Israel is fighting for peace. It may not be the peace Hamas wanted, but I think they are going to get it.

 

[Vorph]

Oct. 7 was only the partial plan, attacks from Hezbollah and the West Bank were also part of the plan, but Hamas seemingly accelerated their part of the plan because the Nova festival was too good of an opportunity. Had they not and the plan carried out as originally intended I wouldn't be surprised if the Samson Option would have been brought up by the hawkish elements of the government.

On that note, I totally forgot to post that big piece of news when it surfaced...

Reports: Hamas delayed Oct. 7 attack to enlist Iran, Hezbollah; plotted 9/11-style bombing

Records of meetings indicate terror group was ready to carry out cross-border massacre by Sept. 2022, chose eventual timing for reasons that included judicial overhaul divisions

www.timesofisrael.com

Records of meetings indicate terror group was ready to carry out cross-border massacre by Sept. 2022, chose eventual timing for reasons that included judicial overhaul divisions

The devastating terror onslaught carried out by Hamas in southern Israel on October 7, 2023, had originally been planned for the previous year, but was delayed amid efforts by the Palestinian terror group to enlist the help of Iran and Hezbollah, according to a series of documents obtained by international media outlets on Saturday.

The reports cited minutes from a series of meetings held by Hamas’s military and political leaders over the course of two years, in which they planned the logistics of the attack, as well as various correspondences between Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and Iranian officials.

An initial report published by The New York Times on Saturday detailed the minutes of 10 meetings spanning from January 2022 until August 2023, which the outlet said had been discovered back in January on a computer in a Hamas control center in Khan Younis. The Times said that it had verified the authenticity of the documents and had separately obtained an internal report by the Israel Defense Forces that did the same.

The contents of additional meetings and messages, mostly focused on Iran’s involvement in planning and funding the attack, were then shared by the IDF with The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal, both of which said that they could not independently verify the authenticity of the information they received.

While it was not always clear which officials had attended which meetings, The Times found that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was present at each one, while now-dead top officials Muhammed Deif and Marwan Issa attended at least several of them, as did Muhammad Sinwar, Yahya’s brother.

The plan for a cross-border attack on Israel’s military infrastructure and civilian communities was first mentioned in a meeting in January 2022, The Times reported, when the Hamas officials in attendance discussed the need to avoid escalating conflict with Israel and to instead focus on “the big project.”

However, the ball may have started rolling even earlier than that, as The Post said it had obtained letters written by Sinwar to Iranian officials in which he requested financial and military assistance for a large-scale assault on Israel.

 

[Fluff]

On that note, I totally forgot to post that big piece of news when it surfaced...

Reports: Hamas delayed Oct. 7 attack to enlist Iran, Hezbollah; plotted 9/11-style bombing

Records of meetings indicate terror group was ready to carry out cross-border massacre by Sept. 2022, chose eventual timing for reasons that included judicial overhaul divisions

www.timesofisrael.com

its all a bit strange.

Iran more or less created Hamas, certainly provided the $$ and the weapons. Its as if Iran wanted the tool, to apply pressure to Israel, but not a war. It now appears to be very close to getting a war, or at the least a bloody good kicking - richly deserved, and I'd kinda hope the USA, UK and maybe even more NATO countries lend a hand to a huge attack, and follow it up with a firm 'behave or else' message.

Did Iran think they were being clever by using 'deniable' assets? If the country your assets are hitting gets fed up, and decides to attack you, thats basically the law of the jungle, and you opened yourself up to it.

 

[Redav]

Guterres will show up crying soon

 

[Mike1976]

Is there any way Lebanon could do it, if we paid and equipped them, and provided drone and air support from Cyprus/CV.

The Lebanese army is considerably smaller than Hezbollah’s army of ~100,000, underfunded, underpaid and not armed and supported by Iran, Russia etc.

The primary problem though imo is that Hezbollah is a religious and cultural unity where as the Lebanese army is made up of Christians, Druze, Sunni and Shia whom have fought each other in changing coalitions for decades. Their political situation is a mess. Appoint a new government with no/fewer Shia influence and the government leaders won't survive the month with a civil war/coup likely.

You could throw all of the money in the world at that problem, but it won't take away the ethnic issues. Whomever you have put in place Iran will order them hunted down by the Shia and exterminated.

 

[PegAsus]

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No matter which way, the main thing is that he no longer breathes...

 

[Nansouty]

You may be right, Vorph... Let's wait & pray.

 

[IDF_TANKER]

The IDF spokesman in Arabic is working extra-hard lately:

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Handling the body (mildly graphic):

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Sinwar pocket contents:

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Hey buddy, were you going somewhere..?

Note large pack of cash and the UNRWA ID. Because where would we be without f***ing UNRWA?

 

[Mike1976]

Israel eyes Somaliland base bid to counter threats from Yemen's Houthis, bolster security - report

Somaliland is positioned in the Gulf of Aden and near the entrance to the Bab al-Mandab Strait, through which nearly a third of the world's maritime cargo passes.

m.jpost.com

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Mossad telling Macron to go F himself is pretty satisfying.

 

[Fluff]

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