Politics Syrian Civil War

[Musashi]

Right in the sultan's face:

Greece and Bulgaria crack down on Turkish borders as refugees arrive | Syria | The Guardian

Move appears designed to put pressure on Europe to support Turkey’s Idlib operation

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[tea-drinker]

By Turkey's logic, Greece and Bulgaria need to create a buffer zone inside Turkey to prevent the flow of these terrorists

In Syrian cowboys and Indians game, Idlibs clowns, doctors and innocent women and children play at being ISIS badged soldiers beating captive Syrian soldier.
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[Gnarlycharlie]

Old video from Libya (MAN truck chassis = export version for UAE).

Yeah, I already saw that claims about the "gap" on twitter. Still this is not enough. Woulb be nice to see any link to this video with an older date cause it's the first time I see this one.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Erdogan asked Putin “to get out of the way” and let the Turkish troops deal with Syrian President Bashar Assad, the Turkish leader told his AK Party on Saturday.

Hopefully Putin's answer was: get f*cked.

 

[1645556315]

Yeah, I already saw that claims about the "gap" on twitter. Still this is not enough. Woulb be nice to see any link to this video with an older date cause it's the first time I see this one.

Seems that original video is from:

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Caption said: Turkish army, Russian-made Pantsir-S1 radar is working, Russian Wagner militia in Libya.

Also, beside obvious MAN chassis, terrain looks more like a Lybian desert then Idlib.

Turkey lost a number of UAVs in Libya due to Pantsirs' fire and that video shows at least in this time UAV was able to give a response.

 

[Gnarlycharlie]

Seems that original video is from:

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Caption said: Turkish army, Russian-made Pantsir-S1 radar is working, Russian Wagner militia in Libya.

Also, beside obvious MAN chassis, terrain looks more like a Lybian desert then Idlib.

Turkey lost a number of UAVs in Libya due to Pantsirs' fire and that video shows at least in this time UAV was able to give a response.

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Seems they are not sure themeselves.

"Also, beside obvious MAN chassis, terrain looks more like a Lybian desert then Idlib." - Yeah, nothing about this vid is obvious, to me at least, due to quality. So I'll better wait for whatever Turkish MoD has to say or other more official sources.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

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Seems they are not sure themeselves.

"Also, beside obvious MAN chassis, terrain looks more like a Lybian desert then Idlib." - Yeah, nothing about this vid is obvious, to me at least, due to quality. So I'll better wait for whatever Turkish MoD has to say or other more official sources.

That reminds me of the strikes carried out by the IAF not so long ago.

 

[Gnarlycharlie]

That reminds me of the strikes carried out by the IAF not so long ago.

Yeah, I remember those. Carried out by Delilah missles from F16 as far as I know.

 

[jebirun]

 

[Gnarlycharlie]

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The numbers are very debatable at the very least. While it is true that Turkey got good scores on the regime, the numbers if we go just by the videos are still too high. And when did they managed to put "Grizzly" (SA-17) down? I haven't seen neither any kind of video , nor even the piece of news about that.

 

[nemipuka_]

Right in the sultan's face:

Greece and Bulgaria crack down on Turkish borders as refugees arrive | Syria | The Guardian

Move appears designed to put pressure on Europe to support Turkey’s Idlib operation

amp.theguardian.com

The problem is our border itself - new installations and upgrades are still under construction, progress is too slow to stop big waves of illegal human traffic right now. And just for the record, the EU give us 160 000 000 € for this project. Basically, there are two types of EU borders - internal (between EU-member states) and external (between EU-member states and states with no EU membership). The goal is to keep the internal ones open and reinforce the external with EU funding. Unfortunately, people on media outlets and social networks don't bother to recognize this difference, sometimes deliberately to give distorted idea on the EU policy.

So what exactly does he want Europe to do for him, to prevent him doing this?

Long Story Short: from a long time Turkey is providing basic living conditions for millions of Syrians, plus the cost for securing them into a designated settlements. And because this situation came to him from abroad, he want some else to pay the bill. Frankly speaking, he had no obligation to hold those people under Turkish custody, so back in 2016 he just let them go wherever they want. The EU went in panic, Germany had emergency negotiations and agree to pay just to keep them away from Europe. This was the so-called "Merkel's deal", and if the people ranting against it have a better one to propose, I'm interested.
Now with the latest Russian-Iranian war effort in Idlib, more Syrians are expected run away from their proxy Cult, which means more money is needed and the bargaining starts all over. There are three possible outcomes:
- The EU pays more money, Turkey is "taking care" of the humanitarian disaster on its territory, Russia and Iran get what they want.
- Failure of the EU-Turkish negotiations, migrant flow is crashing into Europe causing ethno-religious chaos, Russia is even more happy.
- Turkey hold back the Russian-Iranian warfare in Idlib so the Syrians in Idlib could stay in their homes. Russia and Iran are raging, by why should we support their demands, instead our interests.
Make your pick.

They don't "look" shady.
They are.

Just like they are not "ISIS wannabes".
They are.

So I guess the Russian Army is Hezbollah then...

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And let's not forget your beloved "Syrian Arab Army":

 

[Fluff]

So turkey invades Syria, Syria's ally, Russia, bombs a Turkish HQ, kills 30+ troops, Turkey takes gloves off, and bombs anything that moves that's Syrian.

Did I miss anything?

 

[Fluff]

The problem is our border itself - new installations and upgrades are still under construction, progress is too slow to stop big waves of illegal human traffic right now. And just for the record, the EU give us 160 000 000 € for this project. Basically, there are two types of EU borders - internal (between EU-member states) and external (between EU-member states and states with no EU membership). The goal is to keep the internal ones open and reinforce the external with EU funding. Unfortunately, people on media outlets and social networks don't bother to recognize this difference, sometimes deliberately to give distorted idea on the EU policy.




Long Story Short: from a long time Turkey is providing basic living conditions for millions of Syrians, plus the cost for securing them into a designated settlements. And because this situation came to him from abroad, he want some else to pay the bill. Frankly speaking, he had no obligation to hold those people under Turkish custody, so back in 2016 he just let them go wherever they want. The EU went in panic, Germany had emergency negotiations and agree to pay just to keep them away from Europe. This was the so-called "Merkel's deal", and if the people ranting against it have a better one to propose, I'm interested.
Now with the latest Russian-Iranian war effort in Idlib, more Syrians are expected run away from their proxy Cult, which means more money is needed and the bargaining starts all over. There are three possible outcomes:
- The EU pays more money, Turkey is "taking care" of the humanitarian disaster on its territory, Russia and Iran get what they want.
- Failure of the EU-Turkish negotiations, migrant flow is crashing into Europe causing ethno-religious chaos, Russia is even more happy.
- Turkey hold back the Russian-Iranian warfare in Idlib so the Syrians in Idlib could stay in their homes. Russia and Iran are raging, by why should we support their demands, instead our interests.
Make your pick.


And let's not forget your beloved "Syrian Arab Army":

Thanks for the detail.

I can understand the Iranian groups, but you would think there is enough fighting in Iraq to keep their own groups happy?

I don't have a problem with EU paying Turkey to keep the refugees, cant be easy with so many.

 

[Telmar]

This where I am always fascinated by the low level of communication of Russia: everyone in line, no tweeting, no screaming, no ridiculzing yourself like the Turkish leadership...

The only thing they said was that they attacked a terrorist camp and did not know Turks were also there...

 

[Gnarlycharlie]

So turkey invades Syria, Syria's ally, Russia, bombs a Turkish HQ, kills 30+ troops, Turkey takes gloves off, and bombs anything that moves that's Syrian.

Did I miss anything?

Pretty much, except HQ is reported to be temporary barracks or something like that. There weren't any reports on high ranking or not so high Turkish officers being killed there as far as I know. Presumably photos of that place from the video where they were hit.

While Turks struck a meeting of Syrian officers

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An Turks didn't take the gloves off completely. They still let "Orsk" through the Bosphorus and can close it for warships only with Montreux convention's article 20-21 wich requires pretty much declaration of war or smth close.

 

[Picanha]

@ nemipuka the deal was between the EU and Turkey after initially paying 3 bill. € Madame Merkel promised another 3 bill. due in 2018 but she didn't inform the others about that and also not that she envisioned to pay the sum out of EU funds. According to the Geneva convention the neighboring countries have to accommodate war refugees. The EU could once act like the other major powers for a change and not be the one always picking up the shards other major players produce. While they, at the same time do not take any responsibility.

In Germany we already have near a million non EU foreigners receiving welfare which costs two digit billions annually. We have taken our share.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Wear ISIS flag.
Call themselves Islamists/mujahideen.
Fight alongside Islamists/mujahideen.
Behave like Islamists/mujahideen.

But yeah... good guys rebels are not ISIS.

Oh, that's right, I forgot, nemipuka is an apologist.

 

[Chazman]

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[Telmar]

Very impressive: Smart, compact "get real" message by Tulsi Gabbard.

 

[nemipuka_]

@ nemipuka the deal was between the EU and Turkey after initially paying 3 bill. € Madame Merkel promised another 3 bill. due in 2018 but she didn't inform the others about that and also not that she envisioned to pay the sum out of EU funds. According to the Geneva convention the neighboring countries have to accommodate war refugees. The EU could once act like the other major powers for a change and not be the one always picking up the shards other major players produce. While they, at the same time do not take any responsibility.

In Germany we already have near a million non EU foreigners receiving welfare which costs two digit billions annually. We have taken our share.

What can I say? Erdogan have the strong card here - he can keep them, or can let them crash into our borders. There is also the option of holding back the Russian-Iranian war effort in Idlib, so the Syrians living there could stay in their homes. But the Russian apologists like Ivan le Fou are fanatically against anything that upsets Moscow.