Politics Syrian Civil War

[Chazman]

Interesting video. Surprised they are using standard M-60 tanks vs the upgraded ones or Leopards. Turkish allies look like they just came from the ISIS reservation.

 

[Telmar]

Wait... with Russian consent?

Then why has everybody been blaming the US and Trump for... Turkey's engagement... in Syria... after the US left the area?

As for "Russia's consent", Turkey has proven time and time again they don't need the consent of anybody.

Turkish troops arrived before the US pulled out.

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More like Russia's war in Syria was done with Turkish consent. Erdogan have stronger cards on this region, he could turn the Russian military efforts there into logistical nightmare. But he seems to desire good relations with Putin, while Putin himself is pushing his luck on this.

I will just say that the situation on the ground IMHO seems to demonstrate the contrary. Turkey might be close, but Turkey is´nt welcome in most of Syria...especially with the Kurds.

 

[Fred333]

Interesting video. Surprised they are using standard M-60 tanks vs the upgraded ones or Leopards. Turkish allies look like they just came from the ISIS reservation.

That's why I think Erdogan is ultimately going to bow to Syria and Russia retaking Idlib. If he was really serious about holding the area he would have deployed Leopards and the Sabra upgraded tanks. This is just theatre for domestic consumption, to make it seem to his domestic audience he is really the tough guy he pretends to be. He hopes the NATO will refuse deploying the Patriots, because then he can blame it is really the fault of his NATO partners when the Turks and their proxies were pushed out of Idlib.

 

[nemipuka_]

Interesting video. Surprised they are using standard M-60 tanks vs the upgraded ones or Leopards. Turkish allies look like they just came from the ISIS reservation.

The old rusty M-60 are probably given to the NLF, just like the cheap M113.

 

[Chazman]

The old rusty M-60 are probably given to the NLF, just like the cheap M113.

I could be wrong, but they looked like Turkish troops manning them.

 

[Chazman]

Turkish army and NLF trying to hold back the Iranian-Russian proxies.

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More like Russia's war in Syria was done with Turkish consent. Erdogan have stronger cards on this region, he could turn the Russian military efforts there into logistical nightmare. But he seems to desire good relations with Putin, while Putin himself is pushing his luck on this.

I think Russia would be stretched thin if things heat up in Syria. Unsure if they could support both Ukraine and Syria operations.

 

[BCNTM]

Nothing at all in this, just lads playing "bump a car".......worse than this was a daily occurrence in Berlin in the 60s through to the 80's, not to mention 10,000t cruisers belting into each other at sea

they all 'drive' like that in Ruskia

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Turkish troops arrived before the US pulled out.

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Turkey's official intervention plans date back to 2014 with a de facto declaration of war.
Bülent Arinc said that the gist of the resolutions was to extend the current mandate for "hot pursuit" against the PKK and Syrian Army into Syria and Iraq, which was to end the second week in October 2014, and to add ISIS to the list and set up a buffer zone on the Syrian side of the border.

In 2016-2017 Ankara called for no-fly zones. Washington, NATO and Russia were not in favor for it could risk clashes with Russia (which had control over the Syrian airspace). It was a Turkish initiative.

In August 2016, the Turkey, supported by the US, began a declared direct military intervention in Syria saying the operation was an act of self-defence, in response to Isis shelling of Turkish border towns and suicide bombings and attacks targeting Turkish nationals.

November 2016, Erdogan said that the Turkish military launched its operations in Syria to end the rule of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.


The only thing done with Russia was on October 2017, when Turkish forces launched an operation to establish observation posts in the northern Idlib governorate in coordination with Russia.
There is also the regularization of diplomatic ties following the SU24 incident.

On December 2015, Turkey rejected to join the anti-ISIL quartet of Syria, Iran, Iraq and Russia. Erdogan said that he rejected it due to the presence of al-Assad.

Hardly anything done with the blessing of Russia.

 

[Telmar]

I am specifically talking about "Olive branch"

Transated from russian press

At the end of January, the adviser to the leadership of the Kurdish Democratic Union party, Sykhanok Dibo, told RBC that Russia was offering the Syrian Democratic Forces to surrender the Afrin region in northwestern Syria to the government forces of Bashar al-Assad in exchange for preventing the Turkish operation against the Kurds. He also said that the proposal of Moscow did not suit the Kurds, because it "does not contribute to the solution of the Syrian conflict."

The fact that Russia offered the Kurdish enclave to go under the control of Damascus in order to defend itself from Turkey was also reported by the Associated Press, citing three representatives of the Kurdish People’s Self-Defense Forces. It was reported that Moscow’s demands were ultimatum: either Turkey will launch the “Olive Branch” military operation in Syria, or Afrin Damascus must be transferred.

YPG Commander-in-Chief Sipan Chemo previously called Russia an "unprincipled state" for its stance on the Turkish invasion. “We had some agreements with Russia, but it betrayed us by ignoring these agreements. Russia is a trading country. Apparently, they have concluded some agreements with Turkey,” Chemo said.

https://www.newsru.com/world/19feb2018/erdoganthreat.html

But there are reports in English as well.

Russia was informed and deal or not, accepted the offensive.

 

[berkut76]

I think Russia would be stretched thin if things heat up in Syria. Unsure if they could support both Ukraine and Syria operations.

Russia doesn't have a viable fleet to support an overseas operation. They are using almost 50 years old hulks to supply their Syrian contingent. Furthermore, these are not dedicated supply ships but rather designs for the Soviet marines which were not built to withstand the rigors and abuse of the "taxi" service.

 

[morris]

From SANA, translated online.

"Thus, the Syrian Arab Army eliminated Erdogan's terrorists and destroyed their armored vehicles
Axis of the nirab"

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[Chazman]

From SANA, translated online.

"Thus, the Syrian Arab Army eliminated Erdogan's terrorists and destroyed their armored vehicles
Axis of the nirab"

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I wonder what ordnance was being used?

 

[Chazman]

Russia doesn't have a viable fleet to support an overseas operation. They are using almost 50 years old hulks to supply their Syrian contingent. Furthermore, these are not dedicated supply ships but rather designs for the Soviet marines which were not built to withstand the rigors and abuse of the "taxi" service.

If Machiavelli were calling the shots, he'd make sure Ukraine did everything possible to embroil Russia in an intense war in Syria.

 

[berkut76]

If Machiavelli were calling the shots, he'd make sure Ukraine did everything possible to embroil Russia in an intense war in Syria.

Ukraine doesn't have this pull Russian can run its war (short of occupation, of course) against Ukraine indefinitely. Syria is beyond its means due to functional limits of Russia's naval and air forces.

 

[1645556315]

I think Russia would be stretched thin if things heat up in Syria. Unsure if they could support both Ukraine and Syria operations.

Russia can maintain Ukraine operation forever in terms of military support. Actually it is cheaper then pay for comparable forces in home. 90% of the LNR\DNR forces are locals and they have much less wages then russian soldiers, any other spendings are lower then in Russia (logistics and so), casualties and other losses are low enough too.

Syrian operation of couse is different, though one thing is the same - most of the forces are not the Russian army. Turkey on other hand can rely only on own troops (their allies are useless and only causing damage to the Turkey because they are bunch of hardcore terrorists). Also Turkey is in much worst economically position then Russia at the time. They can't do anything in last years when Syria was on verge of collapse and rebels were supported by KSA and US in terms both money and weapons. So i do not expect further escalation, just another ceasfire on current positions.

I know Ukrainians often dreamed about how Russia will collapsed economically or will invaded by Chinese or Marsians. But you can remember that Russia managed to maintain operation in Chechnia for years with the 100k troops (i think ~3 times more then current LNR + DNR forces) and that was a years when Russia really experienced economical and political disaster.

 

[1645556315]

Russian airforce strikes that foiled Turkey offensive 20.02.2020.
UAV footage. Lot of armour were destroyed, M60T tanks (i suspect turkish crews) and APCs. High precise strikes with quite powerful (FAB-500?) bombs.

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[Chazman]

It seems like Turkey has withdrawn it's Leopards from Syria.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

It seems like Turkey has withdrawn it's Leopards from Syria.

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[nemipuka_]

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Regime Tank: Leave me alone!
Rebel APC: Ok, bye.

 

[Marat]

One more TAF soldier died from wounds.