Photos Polish Armed Forces

[Coffee]

Fulcrum Drivers by Gawronsky

Few random photos

Sześcian studio

Piotr Łysakowski

Photography shot from... another helicopter in Afghanistan, unfortunately don't remember by who

Slightly redesigned MSBS-B(ullpup)
photos by MilMag

And new versions of MSBS-K
(marksman, compact, IAR)

 

[Gordus]

Fulcrum Drivers by Gawronsky
Piotr Łysakowski

Awesome shot by Mr Łysakowski.

 

[BravoZulu]

ORP Gen.K.Pułaski (ex-American, Olivier Hazard Perry class), Hebrides training area (Great Britain), August 2018

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Especially for @bdpopeye and @BravoZulu .

Thanks @Conhoon , just love seeing these images, I am rather surprised though that Poland's OHP's are Flight 1, the earliest batch of OHP? I can't see a "step down" quarterdeck on the stern. The second and further batches of OHP had a step down right on the stern for all the fittings and windlass so it wouldn't clutter the flightdeck ops.

 

[Conhoon]

All pleasure is mine @BravoZulu !
ORP "Gen.K.Pułaski" (ex USS Clark) was 5th and ORP "Gen.T.Kościuszko" (ex USS Wadsworth) was the 3rd ship of Oliver Hazard Perry class. Both ships entered service in the US Navy in 1980.
ORP "Gen.K.Pułaski" began serving in the Polish Navy in 2000, ORP "Gen.T.Kościuszko" - in 2002.

 

[BravoZulu]

Excellent info, thanks @Conhoon , I'm unsure why the Polish Navy didn't buy Flight II OHP's as they were younger and had the step down quarterdeck, which gives an uncluttered and much larger flight deck. Or at the least have them modified to Flight II status as my navy did on our 1st 3 OHP's. The expense was completely worthwhile, without lengthening the waterline measurement and giving room on 2 deck for another battle dressing station and adding to the Nixie Room size

 

[Conhoon]

I am not sure whether the Polish Navy had a choice of version at that time, and the frigates of the OHP class were to be a temporary solution. Unfortunately, the ships that were to replace them have not been created to this day. As far as I know, the next solution was to be something from Your "yard" @BravoZulu - purchase of 2 frigates "Adelaide" class from Australia (with much better antiaircraft defense than OHP class), but at the end of August negotiations significantly slowed down.

 

[BravoZulu]

I took a searide on our recently decommissioned OHP (Adelaide class) HMAS Darwin (my last ship) and it was known then that Poland was interested in buying her and possibly 1 or both of our other OHP's, HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Newcastle as all 3 are in excellent condition. They also have better gear than the ex USN ships as we used them as a higher rated frigate and fitted them with better ECM suites and also ESSM fitted which Poland was very interested in getting, in a hull they are very familiar with.

Unfortunately all of HMAS Darwin's sea water fire mains have become badly corroded by a marine infestation picked up on her last deployment in Philippine waters, to the point that when I was onboard there were many sections of fire mains isolated as the pipes were literally falling apart from the infestation. The cost of removing and replacing the entire fire mains has become too costly for Poland to repair should they buy Darwin and the RAN deem there is no point repairing her in order to get a sale.

She will now be sunk as a dive reef in Tasmania but I believe Poland is still very interested in the other 2 OHP's which will be retired over the next 1-2 of years to make way for the new DDG's and Type 26 frigates

 

[Conhoon]

Sailors would surely be happy to introduce ships from Australia to Polish Navy, but politicians decide about buying them.
Unfortunately, the development of the navy is the most neglected area of Polish defense. We've lost the last 20 years when we should build new warships. It will be difficult to make up for it, and there is no time for further waiting.

 

[berkut76]

Sailors would surely be happy to introduce ships from Australia to Polish Navy, but politicians decide about buying them.
Unfortunately, the development of the navy is the most neglected area of Polish defense. We've lost the last 20 years when we should build new warships. It will be difficult to make up for it, and there is no time for further waiting.

During communist era, Poland used to have competent shipbuilding industry. What about now? Ukraine is trying to re-build its capacity, but honestly, without much success. Essentially starting over. Russia is not capable to produce blue navy ships at the moment in quantity and quality required, but it's shipbuilding industry is capable of making ships for "Baltic sea" lake.

 

[Gordus]

Poland is capable of ship building as proven with the cancelled Gawron class. It's always a matter of funding and priorities.

 

[Conhoon]

@Gordus is very close to the truth. I would add that it is also necessary to stick to the plan, not to constantly change it.

 

[TIGREDELAIRE]

no have many recoil? maybe rechamber to 9mm to operate like carbine/submachine gun?

 

[Conhoon]

I'm not sure if it makes sense. The whole weapon family MSBS (as a result of which one of its elements - assault rifle "Grot"), developed in Poland, assumed the greatest possible unification and simplification of logistics. Weapons in the bullpup system will be well suited as a weapon combined with a grenade launcher (due to better balance in such a system) and personal weapon for all technical services, artillerymen, drivers, tank crews etc but with ammunition as in a basic weapon variant.

 

[Coffee]

Poland is capable of ship building as proven with the cancelled Gawron class. It's always a matter of funding and priorities.

i wont agree, Gawron project is a mess, almost all of equipment is from import, no good air defense(MANPADS, don't even know how to comment it) , no VLS, only offensive weapon is a 76mm OTO Melara, and now its also only a PATROL BOAT which cost (to march this year) 1 171 300 000 PLN which is ~316 550 000$. Ships from Australia were only chance to buy something good for near ~10-15 years, but anti-adelaide offensive in mass media, spreading info that this ships are so bad that Australia sunk them, and we should build even more SciFi ship than Gawron (codename Miecznik) made (my opinion) goverment change its mind, plus President--MOD communication isnt great atm. Funny thing is same offensive in media was when there was tender for helicopters (anti Airbus, we should buy from "polish" factories, like PZL Świdnik AW 149 or PZL Mielec S-70i, few months ago they bought 2 S-70i for police w/o tender and lets say, price wasnt that nice for "clean" helicopter).
Sorry for all grammar mistakes.

 

[Coffee]

Lets look at something nice instead
F-16 and MiG29 by Piotr Łysakowski

Tiger Claw by Invidia Me

 

[Gordus]

I am pretty sure those changes were made because the project was cancelled as deep water craft and instead converted to off-shore patrol / coast guard boat. In that case, such "lighter" armament is almost too heavy even ....

 

[Coffee]

I am pretty sure those changes were made because the project was cancelled as deep water craft and instead converted to off-shore patrol / coast guard boat. In that case, such "lighter" armament is almost too heavy even ....

Too heavy for patrol boat, too light for frigate, just "perfect". Afaik there is left place for possible VLS/anti ship missiles.

 

[Conhoon]

Gentlemen,
in my opinion, you're both right.
Let me explain. As @Gordus wrote - "Poland can build ships in accordance with the proven Gawron class. It is always a matter of financing and priorities."
I agree that the Polish shipyard could build a ship (without equipment - we are not able to produce the majority of devices ourselves, do not kid ourselves) and should take care of it so that we do not lose all skills and be able to provide repairs themselves.
As for the "Gawron" project, it is, unfortunately, just like @Kofeina wrote, but the main blame lies with the government itself and what the @Gordus mentioned, means financing and priorities, and many changes in the concept. The effect will soon become proverbial and, as @Kofeina wrote, we have a very expensive hybrid which will not improve much in the Polish Navy today.
As for ships from Australia and helicopters, I agree with @Kofeina 100%.
But this is again a matter of politics.
Mother of God, Gentlemen, it happened that on the forum where I wanted to put photos I discuss politics (which I hate) in English (which language I do not know) and about the Navy (where I get seasickness just to see the sea)!

 

[Conhoon]

"Gawron" history in simplification:
"Gawron" type Corvettes (project 621) - a planned series of multi-purpose corvettes for the Polish Navy designed according to the concept of MEKO A-100 from the German shipyard Blohm und Voss in Hamburg. It was intended to produce 7 vessels of this type, the contractor for all ships was to be the Naval Shipyard in Gdynia. Due to, among other things, small funds allocated for construction in February 2011, the court declared the bankruptcy of the Naval Shipyard.
In February 2012, the project was abandoned due to financing problems. It was predicted that none of the planned corvettes would be built. Consequently, it was decided to build a patrol vessel on the hull of the bare corvette. The ship's detection and anti-submarine system, anti-aircraft missiles and anti-aircraft rockets (except for portable Grom sets) have been abandoned. As a result of the equipment changes, the designation of the modified project from 621 to the 621M project was also changed.

 

[Conhoon]

On 31 August 2018, soldiers of the XXXVIII rotation of the Polish Military Contingent KFOR in Kosovo together with the Serbian soldiers participated in the medical evacuation exercise.
The exercise was organized by soldiers of the American army.