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15/12/2021
Another deal to acquire 4 S-70i for POLSOF was signed today. First 2 helicopters will be delivered in 2023.
15/12/2021
Last batch which consisted of 9 "Poprad" anti air vehicle was delivered to 18 Dywizja Zmechanizowana, in total Polish Army received 79 vehicles.
10/12/2021
"WZL 2 will gain unique competences in servicing F-16 fighters. They will be the most specialized plant in Europe in this field. The company included in the PGZ will also service Polish F-16s. This is important and good news for the Polish defense industry and the Polish Air Force"
08/12/2021
More info about COUGAR MRAP deal.
300 COUGARs were acquired for 27.5 mln USD(training and logistics package included), they will be delivered in 1Q of 2022.
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Another deal to acquire 4 S-70i for POLSOF was signed today. First 2 helicopters will be delivered in 2023.
15/12/2021
Last batch which consisted of 9 "Poprad" anti air vehicle was delivered to 18 Dywizja Zmechanizowana, in total Polish Army received 79 vehicles.
10/12/2021
"WZL 2 will gain unique competences in servicing F-16 fighters. They will be the most specialized plant in Europe in this field. The company included in the PGZ will also service Polish F-16s. This is important and good news for the Polish defense industry and the Polish Air Force"
08/12/2021
More info about COUGAR MRAP deal.
300 COUGARs were acquired for 27.5 mln USD(training and logistics package included), they will be delivered in 1Q of 2022.
Cougary kupione
MON podpisał umowę na zakup 300 MRAP-ów typu Cougar - poinformował minister obrony narodowej Mariusz Błaszczak za pośrednictwem Twittera. Maszyny trafią do Polski już w pierwszym kwartale przyszłego roku. Cena całego zakupu to 27,5 mln USD.
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01.02.2022
Modernization of wz77 Dana SpGH
"Due to delays in the implementation of the program of acquiring squadron fire modules (DMO) 155 mm self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis of AHS Kryl, it became necessary to keep the 152 mm gun howitzers wz. 77 Dana. In the years 2003-2010, 108 vehicles were modified to the Dana-T version. Its main goal was to install ZZKO Topaz elements and a new communication system. After a few years, their repairs with further modifications began, after which the cannon-howitzers will receive a new designation Dana-M. By the end of 2021, the army received the first three vehicles modified in this way, and this year it is planned to sign a contract for a serial modification."
"modification work included: installation of a new driver's and commander's cabin with 4 large bulletproof windows, installation of 3 cameras and a monitor displaying the image from them for the driver, installation of a new air conditioning and heating system, modification of the engine to improve its performance, modification of the gearbox gears (adding a semi-automatic, sequential gearshift system, changes in the following systems: steering, electric (including APU assembly) and hydraulic (including the time of lowering and raising the supports 3 times reduced), front axle suspension reinforcement, installation of the central air pressure regulation system in tires, adding an ABS system, or finally replacing tubeless tires with RUNFLAT inserts."
01.02.2022
Poland will donate ammunition, Piorun MANPADs and other systems to Ukraine
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02.02.2022
Borsuk in a procurement for a new infantry fighting vehicle for Slovakia
"Four bids were submitted in the tender procedure for a new tracked infantry fighting vehicle for Slovakia, the successor of Soviet-designed combat vehicles and their development versions. There is also a proposal from Poland among them. Poland reported the New Borsuk Floating Infantry Fighting Vehicle from Huta Stalowa Wola S.A. This is the first time that the newest Polish combat vehicle has been offered to a foreign customer. This information was confirmed on February 2 by Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa S.A."
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Modernization of wz77 Dana SpGH
"Due to delays in the implementation of the program of acquiring squadron fire modules (DMO) 155 mm self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis of AHS Kryl, it became necessary to keep the 152 mm gun howitzers wz. 77 Dana. In the years 2003-2010, 108 vehicles were modified to the Dana-T version. Its main goal was to install ZZKO Topaz elements and a new communication system. After a few years, their repairs with further modifications began, after which the cannon-howitzers will receive a new designation Dana-M. By the end of 2021, the army received the first three vehicles modified in this way, and this year it is planned to sign a contract for a serial modification."
"modification work included: installation of a new driver's and commander's cabin with 4 large bulletproof windows, installation of 3 cameras and a monitor displaying the image from them for the driver, installation of a new air conditioning and heating system, modification of the engine to improve its performance, modification of the gearbox gears (adding a semi-automatic, sequential gearshift system, changes in the following systems: steering, electric (including APU assembly) and hydraulic (including the time of lowering and raising the supports 3 times reduced), front axle suspension reinforcement, installation of the central air pressure regulation system in tires, adding an ABS system, or finally replacing tubeless tires with RUNFLAT inserts."
01.02.2022
Poland will donate ammunition, Piorun MANPADs and other systems to Ukraine
Polska przekaże Ukrainie zestawy Piorun
1 lutego minister Mariusz Błaszczak poinformował w mediach społecznościowych, że Rada Ministrów przyjęła uchwałę w sprawie pomocy sprzętowej Ukrainie. Wśród defensywnego uzbrojenia, które ma trafić do Kijowa mają znaleźć się przenośne przeciwlotnicze zestawy rakietowe Piorun.
02.02.2022
Borsuk in a procurement for a new infantry fighting vehicle for Slovakia
"Four bids were submitted in the tender procedure for a new tracked infantry fighting vehicle for Slovakia, the successor of Soviet-designed combat vehicles and their development versions. There is also a proposal from Poland among them. Poland reported the New Borsuk Floating Infantry Fighting Vehicle from Huta Stalowa Wola S.A. This is the first time that the newest Polish combat vehicle has been offered to a foreign customer. This information was confirmed on February 2 by Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa S.A."
Borsuk w przetargu na nowy bojowy wóz piechoty dla Słowacji
W postępowaniu na nowy gąsienicowy bojowy wóz piechoty dla Słowacji, następcę wozów bojowych sowieckiej konstrukcji i ich wersji rozwojowych, wpłynęło pięć ofert. Jest wśród nich także propozycja z Polski.
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land mines are illegal and taboo in US and EU zone?
US didn't sign Ottawa treaty so they still can use AP mines, and everyone else can use AT mines as they weren't banned.
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BWP-1 prototype presented in 2000's era?
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Doesn't Poland need like a 1000 of these (heavy+light) Borsuks? What is the production capacity?01.02.2022
Modernization of wz77 Dana SpGH
"Due to delays in the implementation of the program of acquiring squadron fire modules (DMO) 155 mm self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis of AHS Kryl, it became necessary to keep the 152 mm gun howitzers wz. 77 Dana. In the years 2003-2010, 108 vehicles were modified to the Dana-T version. Its main goal was to install ZZKO Topaz elements and a new communication system. After a few years, their repairs with further modifications began, after which the cannon-howitzers will receive a new designation Dana-M. By the end of 2021, the army received the first three vehicles modified in this way, and this year it is planned to sign a contract for a serial modification."
"modification work included: installation of a new driver's and commander's cabin with 4 large bulletproof windows, installation of 3 cameras and a monitor displaying the image from them for the driver, installation of a new air conditioning and heating system, modification of the engine to improve its performance, modification of the gearbox gears (adding a semi-automatic, sequential gearshift system, changes in the following systems: steering, electric (including APU assembly) and hydraulic (including the time of lowering and raising the supports 3 times reduced), front axle suspension reinforcement, installation of the central air pressure regulation system in tires, adding an ABS system, or finally replacing tubeless tires with RUNFLAT inserts."
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01.02.2022
Poland will donate ammunition, Piorun MANPADs and other systems to Ukraine
Polska przekaże Ukrainie zestawy Piorun
1 lutego minister Mariusz Błaszczak poinformował w mediach społecznościowych, że Rada Ministrów przyjęła uchwałę w sprawie pomocy sprzętowej Ukrainie. Wśród defensywnego uzbrojenia, które ma trafić do Kijowa mają znaleźć się przenośne przeciwlotnicze zestawy rakietowe Piorun.
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02.02.2022
Borsuk in a procurement for a new infantry fighting vehicle for Slovakia
"Four bids were submitted in the tender procedure for a new tracked infantry fighting vehicle for Slovakia, the successor of Soviet-designed combat vehicles and their development versions. There is also a proposal from Poland among them. Poland reported the New Borsuk Floating Infantry Fighting Vehicle from Huta Stalowa Wola S.A. This is the first time that the newest Polish combat vehicle has been offered to a foreign customer. This information was confirmed on February 2 by Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa S.A."
Borsuk w przetargu na nowy bojowy wóz piechoty dla Słowacji
W postępowaniu na nowy gąsienicowy bojowy wóz piechoty dla Słowacji, następcę wozów bojowych sowieckiej konstrukcji i ich wersji rozwojowych, wpłynęło pięć ofert. Jest wśród nich także propozycja z Polski.
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Piorun and Grom are compare SA7,14,16,18 or stinger-A,B,C or HN-5,5A,QW-2,3 or Mistral?01.02.2022
Poland will donate ammunition, Piorun MANPADs and other systems to Ukraine
Polska przekaże Ukrainie zestawy Piorun
1 lutego minister Mariusz Błaszczak poinformował w mediach społecznościowych, że Rada Ministrów przyjęła uchwałę w sprawie pomocy sprzętowej Ukrainie. Wśród defensywnego uzbrojenia, które ma trafić do Kijowa mają znaleźć się przenośne przeciwlotnicze zestawy rakietowe Piorun.
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The Grom is a better or comparable at worst with the SA18. The Stinger is far less advanced.
Georgia bought 100 Groms and 30 launchers in the 2000s. During the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Georgians fired 12 Groms, hitting 9 Russian planes and helicopters. Most of them were shot down. It gives you the effectiveness of 75%.
Based on the feedback from the Russo-Georgian War, the Grom-M was developed and it was renamed as Piorun after some time.
It's a much better system, with a much bigger warhead, range, ceiling, guidance system and sensors. It's the most advanced MANPAD used by any NATO army.
Both the Grom and the Piorun are protected from an unathorised use. I cannot mention any foreign MANPAD that has got this feature.
Georgia bought 100 Groms and 30 launchers in the 2000s. During the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Georgians fired 12 Groms, hitting 9 Russian planes and helicopters. Most of them were shot down. It gives you the effectiveness of 75%.
Based on the feedback from the Russo-Georgian War, the Grom-M was developed and it was renamed as Piorun after some time.
It's a much better system, with a much bigger warhead, range, ceiling, guidance system and sensors. It's the most advanced MANPAD used by any NATO army.
Both the Grom and the Piorun are protected from an unathorised use. I cannot mention any foreign MANPAD that has got this feature.
Yes, but last year MON (DOD) said that their plan is to receive 14 NBWP Borsuk to 2023 (equivalent of mech company) and 588 NBWP(IFV) versions to 2035, so ~50 per year. There is chance that they can do more or built another plant to build more of them. Also its important to point out it still didn't pass national tests and its supposed to happen in next month or so, then we should receive more info.
"However, this number almost certainly did not include numerous specialist vehicles based on its chassis, such as reconnaissance combat vehicles, command vehicles or recovery vehicles. This means an average mass production rate of approx. 50 vehicles per year in the IFV version alone."
heavily modified BMP-1 chassis with almost everything new inside.
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Thanks,Yes, but last year MON (DOD) said that their plan is to receive 14 NBWP Borsuk to 2023 (equivalent of mech company) and 588 NBWP(IFV) versions to 2035, so ~50 per year. There is chance that they can do more or built another plant to build more of them. Also its important to point out it still didn't pass national tests and its supposed to happen in next month or so, then we should receive more info.
"However, this number almost certainly did not include numerous specialist vehicles based on its chassis, such as reconnaissance combat vehicles, command vehicles or recovery vehicles. This means an average mass production rate of approx. 50 vehicles per year in the IFV version alone."
I had read that a while back and forgot about it.
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Off the immediate topic but have you heard anything further in the Mi-24 stress tests?Yes, but last year MON (DOD) said that their plan is to receive 14 NBWP Borsuk to 2023 (equivalent of mech company) and 588 NBWP(IFV) versions to 2035, so ~50 per year. There is chance that they can do more or built another plant to build more of them. Also its important to point out it still didn't pass national tests and its supposed to happen in next month or so, then we should receive more info.
"However, this number almost certainly did not include numerous specialist vehicles based on its chassis, such as reconnaissance combat vehicles, command vehicles or recovery vehicles. This means an average mass production rate of approx. 50 vehicles per year in the IFV version alone."
No, but apparently our delegation which went to see Abrams tanks had detour to also look at AH-1Z Vipers, i hope that they will select AH-64E but there is chance that we will get Vipers like Czechia.
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The Apaches would probably be better because they can integrate with UAVs. I do not believe the Vipers have that capability at present
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The AH-64 is the better aircraft IMHO, it still has a lot of room for upgrades and inclusion of new gear. The Viper is a great aircraft also however, it's a 1960s design and the airframe is maxed out with no room left for more avionics/upgrades. If it comes down to costs though I expect the Viper will get the nod
09.02.2022
This year Polish Army will(hopefully) receive:
4x M-346
2x C-130H
1x TB2 drone set
40x Javelin ATGM launchers
300x Cougar MRAP
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15.02.2022
The contract signed with WB Electronics, worth PLN 50 million gross, covers 11 #FlyEye UAVs sets, which will be delivered to the artillery units by March 2023. First deliveries this month. Drones of both (2.0 and 3.0) generations will be delivered.
15.02.2022
As a result of analyzes of materials provided by the PGZ-MIECZNIK Consortium in December 2021, the Polish Armed Forces preselected the preferred ship design and combat system, which will constitute the final configuration of three new frigates for the Polish Navy, acquired under the program pk. MIECZNIK (SWORDFISH). The proposals presented by German and British industrial partners were considered the most favorable. Difference between those two offers is <5%.
The consortium assumes that in the first half of March, B2B agreements regarding strategic cooperation will be clarified and concluded - agreements regulating, inter alia, principles of further cooperation and the model of program management. Considering the good of the ongoing negotiations, the final selection of the platform together with the ZSW will be made public after their completion.
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This year Polish Army will(hopefully) receive:
4x M-346
2x C-130H
1x TB2 drone set
40x Javelin ATGM launchers
300x Cougar MRAP
Posłowie o zakupach broni z zagranicy
Siły Zbrojne RP odbiorą w tym roku m.in. 40 wyrzutni pocisków przeciwpancernych Javelin, cztery samoloty M-346, dwa Herculesy C-130H, jeden zestaw dronów Bayraktar TB2 oraz 300 samochodów Cougar – poinformował posłów wiceszef MON-u Marcin Ociepa. Pos...
15.02.2022
The contract signed with WB Electronics, worth PLN 50 million gross, covers 11 #FlyEye UAVs sets, which will be delivered to the artillery units by March 2023. First deliveries this month. Drones of both (2.0 and 3.0) generations will be delivered.
15.02.2022
As a result of analyzes of materials provided by the PGZ-MIECZNIK Consortium in December 2021, the Polish Armed Forces preselected the preferred ship design and combat system, which will constitute the final configuration of three new frigates for the Polish Navy, acquired under the program pk. MIECZNIK (SWORDFISH). The proposals presented by German and British industrial partners were considered the most favorable. Difference between those two offers is <5%.
The consortium assumes that in the first half of March, B2B agreements regarding strategic cooperation will be clarified and concluded - agreements regulating, inter alia, principles of further cooperation and the model of program management. Considering the good of the ongoing negotiations, the final selection of the platform together with the ZSW will be made public after their completion.
Koncepcja Miecznika na finałowej prostej
Z trzech projektów fregat rakietowych, które złożyło konsorcjum PGZ-Miecznik, Ministerstwo Obrony Narodowej wybrało dwa: brytyjskiego Babcocka i niemieckiego TKMS. Wojsko nie ujawnia, który uzyskał status priorytetowy. Kolejnym krokiem są negocjacje ...
Wstępny wybór projektu koncepcyjnego w programie MIECZNIK - Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa
Siły Zbrojne RP dokonały wstępnego wyboru dostawców projektu platformy-fregaty oraz Zintegrowanego Systemu Walki (ZSW) w ramach programu pk. MIECZNIK. Konsorcjum PGZ-MIECZNIK rozpoczyna negocjacje dotyczące zawarcia porozumień strategicznych o współpracy przemysłowej z wskazanymi dostawcami. […]
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More info about the deal:
18.02.2022
WASHINGTON, February 17, 2022 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Poland of M1A2 SEPv3 Main Battle Tanks and related equipment for an estimated cost of $6.0 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.
The Government of Poland has requested to buy
(250) M1A2SEPv3 Abrams Main Battle tanks;
(250) AN/VLQ-12 CREW Duke counter-IED systems
(26) M88A2 HERCULES Combat Recovery vehicles;
(17) M1110 joint assault bridges
(276) M2 .50 caliber machine guns
(500) M240C 7.62mm machine guns
(15) AGT1500 gas turbine engines
(9,168) 120mm M865 Target Practice, Cone Stabilized, Discarding Sabot - Tracer (TPCSDS-T) cartridges;
(4,592) 120mm M1002 Target Practice Multipurpose Tracer (TPMP-T) projectiles;
(13,920) 120mm M830A1 High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) TP-T cartridges;
(6,960) 120mm XM1147 High Explosive multipurpose tracers.
Also included are forward repair systems; trailer mounted generators; Common Remote Operated Weapons Station Low Profile (CROWS-LP); communications equipment; GPS receivers; ammunition; spare and repair parts; Special Tools and Test Equipment (STTE); technical manuals and publications; maintenance trainers; gunnery training systems; tank driver’s trainers; new equipment training; U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics personnel services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated program cost is $6.0 billion.
As we can see there is a lot of training ammunition, HEAT, AMP but 0 APFSDS. Apparently undisclosed amount will be acquired in different deal and it will be KE-W A1, so basically DM-43, outdated round from 1996, when Poland bought DM63A1 for Leopards few years ago(also apparently they will certificate M1A2 to use it but thats in future). Also we get- CRV, assault bridges but 0 M1150 ABVs.
As we will get M240C and M2s, Polish tanks will use:
PK-T, UKM-2000C, MG-3 and M240C
DSHKM, NSW, WKM-B, M2
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