Politics Iranian Proxy Conflicts

[Picanha]

UK ship previosuly used 'a gun'. Sounds to me that we are trying out different systems, to keep the cost down, and maybe they are adjusting threat profiles, to account for slow flying drones, i.e. when within range, you still have x seconds to down them.

I'd assume they have a secondary ready, like CIWS.

For small drones they could have used the MLG27 using the Oto and RIM indicates larger further away threats.

Letting them come in to only use the cheaper 27mm munitions was maybe too much of a risk.

They must hunt down their sensors and drone bases on land asap.

As well as get intelligence about information relay.

 

[Chazman]

UK ship previosuly used 'a gun'. Sounds to me that we are trying out different systems, to keep the cost down, and maybe they are adjusting threat profiles, to account for slow flying drones, i.e. when within range, you still have x seconds to down them.

I'd assume they have a secondary ready, like CIWS.

I'd tend to agree. Using $2 million missiles to shoot down $20,000 drones is not a good long term strategy.

 

[Mike1976]

I'd tend to agree. Using $2 million missiles to shoot down $20,000 drones is not a good long term strategy.

You know what's an even more economically efficient course of action?

Flattening Iran's entire armaments industry.

Israel and Ukraine agree with this statement.

 

[Chazman]

You know what's an even more economically efficient course of action?

Flattening Iran's entire armaments industry.

Israel and Ukraine agree with this statement.

Or if that Iranian Frigate giving Houthis intel and targeting info had a "smoking accident".

 

[Mike1976]

The comments are full of RuZzia trolls diminishing the action. Well their own stuff can't hit S**t so they are envious.

* Shows picture of a Storm Shadow *



* Two more rust buckets strike their colors and the rest goes in for more group therapy sessions *

 

[Mike1976]

Late on Tuesday evening, a drone was detected on the radar, Augengeradeaus writes, after which the drone with the Oto Melara 76mm cannon was disabled. Later, another drone was discovered and the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) was deployed, after which this drone was also destroyed.

The fact that FGS Hessen used these systems means that the drones came very close to the ship. It is not known why both drones were able to approach the Hessians so closely. This may have had to do with an earlier incident in which the Hessians tried to shoot down a target at a greater distance.

According to Augengeradeaus, the successful elimination of the drones was not the first time that the Hessians took action. The first time took place on Monday evening when a drone was also detected. The frigate launched two SM-2 missiles, but they missed their target. The target later turned out to be an American MQ-9 Reaper.

According to Augengeradeaus, the Reaper flew without IFF, so the Hessians could not tell whether it was a friendly or enemy drone. But the presence of this drone would also not have been known to the Aspides operations center. This created a situation early after the start of the second mission in the same area that - in the case of manned aircraft - would have been dangerous. This problem has now been recognized and resolved.

 

[Chazman]

Trivia:
Interesting thing on the German ship, it currently uses early SM-2 missiles which are loooooong out of production. To reload with newer missiles, will need software/hardware updates.

 

[Chazman]

More trivia: The USN OHP frigates lost their single rail missile launcher years before they were all retired in order to preserve the limited supply of early SM-2 missiles for allied use.

 

[Mike1976]

Trivia:
Interesting thing on the German ship, it currently uses early SM-2 missiles which are loooooong out of production. To reload with newer missiles, will need software/hardware updates.

Both the German and Dutch navies use the SM-2 Block IIIa missile which Raytheon says was put back into production in 2017. The US Navy uses it as well.

 

[Chazman]

Both the German and Dutch navies use the SM-2 Block IIIa missile which Raytheon says was put back into production in 2017. The US Navy uses it as well.

This is not the one I was looking for, the other story mentioned that Germany never bothered to stock up when they could, nor upgrade to use the newer versions.

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[Mike1976]

while Belgium is sending the frigate Louise-Marie to join a nascent European Union mission there.

Still no word on if/when the ship will leave. It has been pulled from the major NATO exercise taking place right now, but that's it.

It's not suited for the operation anyway, being both old and an ASW frigate with only limited anti-air capability for self-defense. It might eat up some ordnance fired at it, but it's useless for providing a protective bubble to commercial shipping.

@TheKiwi
One of the problems they're having is that there is no helicopter available. Out of the 4 NH-90s Belgium has only one is operational and it has to cover SAR in the North Sea. Whoever engineered that thing should be shot. And of course they simply bought too few even if the thing had been better.

 

[Mike1976]

HNLMS Tromp's deployment to the Red Sea should be announced tomorrow according to sources. The ship will set sail on Saturday and is expected to be in the AO by the end of the month.

 

[Mike1976]

37 drones were fired at ships in a coordinated wave. The US says 15 drones were shot down. At least one commercial vessel was hit, but damage seems to be minor.

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It's been confirmed that HNLMS Tromp will be leaving Den Helder naval base on Saturday to travel to the Red Sea. It will be joined by the BNS Louise-Marie at Zeebrugge after which they will perform exercises on route.

Tromp will stay in the Red Sea for a month and return home in September after a trip to the Far East. It will be taking part in Operation Prosperity Guardian, not the EU mission Aspides, but will share information if needed.

 

[BravoZulu]

type 23 frigate HMS Richmond has defended herself and merchant vessels in the vicinity by firing her Sea Ceptor missiles, shooting down two Houthi drones heading towards the ship in the Red Sea.

 

[Picanha]

Frigate Hessen deployed it's helicopter to sink an surface drone approaching a civilian surface fleet.

German Navy Helicopter Destroys Houthi Drone

A German Navy Helicopter Destroys Houthi Drone In Red Sea. Helicopter operated from frigate Hessen in support of EUNAVFOR Aspides.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Mike1976]

Footage from aboard the French frigate Alsace engaging drones with Aster missiles and the 76mm canon.

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Picture from aboard a freighter:

 

[Mike1976]

HNLMS Tromp and BNS Louise-Marie entered the Red Sea yesterday.

As additional protection against USVs an M-134 minigun has been installed on both sides of the bridge on the two ships.

 

[Mike1976]

Danish frigate Iver Huitfeldt is on it's way home early after experiencing major technical failures during an attack. For a while it couldn't fire missiles and the gun was also experiencing problems with half of the ammunition exploding shortly after leaving the barrels. The ammo was over 30 years old and was last refitted in 2005. These issues were known before deployment, but were ignored, no doubt out of political considerations.

This is what you get when you ignore your armed forces for 30 years and then do more talking than acting post 2021.

Ernstige technische problemen Deens fregat tijdens aanval Rode Zee

Iver Huitfeldt kon geen raketten lanceren en granaten ontploften te snel na verlaten kanon

marineschepen.nl

 

[Mike1976]

Danish frigate Iver Huitfeldt is on it's way home early after experiencing major technical failures during an attack. For a while it couldn't fire missiles and the gun was also experiencing problems with half of the ammunition exploding shortly after leaving the barrels. The ammo was over 30 years old and was last refitted in 2005. These issues were known before deployment, but were ignored, no doubt out of political considerations.

This is what you get when you ignore your armed forces for 30 years and then do more talking than acting post 2021.

Ernstige technische problemen Deens fregat tijdens aanval Rode Zee

Iver Huitfeldt kon geen raketten lanceren en granaten ontploften te snel na verlaten kanon

marineschepen.nl

Not related to Iran, but related to the Danish navy:

Harpoon booster on Iver Huitfeldt' sister ship Niels Juel activated during portside tests, shipping around a part of Denmark halted for sevearl hours for fear of a missile launch.

Problemen Harpoon-raket Deens schip, scheepvaart bij Denemarken stilgelegd

Fregat Niels Juel ligt in marinehaven Korsør

marineschepen.nl

 

[Mike1976]

HNLMS Karel Doorman's deployment to the Red Sea confirmed, should arrive in theater in May.

A floating bullseye with severely limited defensive armament ... Building billion Euro ships is fine, but paying to give it weapons to actually defend the huge investment NO!