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Operation Sindoor and the Evolution of India’s Military Strategy Against Pakistan - War on the Rocks
Once more unto the breach, India struck inside Pakistan in response to a terrorist attack. Once more, the two sides escalated — again to unprecedented
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Thanks @Hiryu2.0 that is some good intel in that report. Makes a lot more sense than most of the gibberish coming out of both sides of the conflict (three sides if you include the fapping from Chinabots).
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It's somewhat clear that in the India vs. Pakistan slapping competition, India lost several aircraft, Pakistan got its IIAD smashed and had most of their own retaliatory attacks blocked. Looks to me like India probably came out on top.
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A dissonant point of view regarding the results of Operation Sindoor.
To sum it up, in a manner reminiscent of the way German quick reports were initially able to shape world opinion regarding the results of the battle of Jutland, Pakistan got a head start and, helped by the Chinese military blogosphere, painted the image of a resounding Pakistani victory. A later assessment by western militaries shows that in fact, Operation Sindoor was successful and that India's top of the ligne fighters, especially Rafales, performed quite well, annihilating all intended targets in the face of alerted air defenses (India had issued warnings), for the loss of at most 4-5 jets including perhaps a single Rafale, compared to the loss of some 10 PAF planes (from another rumor, possibly including a Swedish-made e Saab 340 Awacs). In French, sorry, you'll need an online translator.
https://www.rfi.fr/fr/asie-pacifiqu...le-succès-aérien-de-l-inde-passé-sous-silence
To sum it up, in a manner reminiscent of the way German quick reports were initially able to shape world opinion regarding the results of the battle of Jutland, Pakistan got a head start and, helped by the Chinese military blogosphere, painted the image of a resounding Pakistani victory. A later assessment by western militaries shows that in fact, Operation Sindoor was successful and that India's top of the ligne fighters, especially Rafales, performed quite well, annihilating all intended targets in the face of alerted air defenses (India had issued warnings), for the loss of at most 4-5 jets including perhaps a single Rafale, compared to the loss of some 10 PAF planes (from another rumor, possibly including a Swedish-made e Saab 340 Awacs). In French, sorry, you'll need an online translator.
https://www.rfi.fr/fr/asie-pacifiqu...le-succès-aérien-de-l-inde-passé-sous-silence
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Nobody has experience in "large scale modern air operation".
Pakistan managed to beat India because they were smarter in their strategy.
And even with modern air-force Iran wouldn't be able to do anything considering:
-they have no radars.
-they have no AD.
-they are entirely covered by the US and its allies.
The only thing Iran can do, with questionable success, is launching mass waves of SRBMs, IRBMs.
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There is even a question if any Indian Rafales, claimed to have been shot down by Pakistan, were actually shot down and not simply spoofed by Indian ECM.
It’s been reported that the CCP had been pushing the propaganda hard to make their weapons look top notch. They were obviously quite a bit short of that. Pak air bases were being struck almost at will by Indian missiles.
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In the day of Indians have got mobile phones with camera where is the wreckage? Besides drone stuff. Indian marshall may have had a hegseth/bondi moment but has not said a jet was shot down only vague damage. Lost in translation?
It would be in India's best interest to have Paki think it could repeat that.
It would be in India's best interest to have Paki think it could repeat that.
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US, NATO, Israel. Even the Jordanians have more experience than countries like Pakistan or India.
Also Pakistan didn't win, they just claimed victory first and loudest thanks to Chinese botfarms. Based on satellite imagery Pakistani air bases were hit, the AD network degraded and even C2 and nuclear sites targeted. Pakistan failed to intercept any significant numbers of French and Israeli built missiles and what they did intercept were mainly simple Harops. In return the stuff Pakistan launched at India was mostly intercepted and caused minor damage to a limited number of locations.
But as BRICS claimed last week getting utterly wrecked by Israel is a victory, so by that standard Pakistan also won. I wish China, Iran, Russia and Pakistan many more such "victories"
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US, NATO, Israel. Even the Jordanians have more experience than countries like Pakistan or India.
Also Pakistan didn't win, they just claimed victory first and loudest thanks to Chinese botfarms. Based on satellite imagery Pakistani air bases were hit, the AD network degraded and even C2 and nuclear sites targeted. Pakistan failed to intercept any significant numbers of French and Israeli built missiles and what they did intercept were mainly simple Harops. In return the stuff Pakistan launched at India was mostly intercepted and caused minor damage to a limited number of locations.
But as BRICS claimed last week getting utterly wrecked by Israel is a victory, so by that standard Pakistan also won. I wish China, Iran, Russia and Pakistan many more such "victories"
The initial topic was "large scale modern air operation".
The last "large scale modern air operation" was between India and Pakistan. Before that the instances that would qualify as "large scale modern air operation" are extremely few.
Furthermore, I didn't say "Pakistan won the war" as you are trying to imply. The comment remains within the now famed 100+ air-assets confrontation. According to official reports and comments by both Pakistani and Indian MoD, Pakistan came out of the engagement as the "victor". Again, repeating myself so it is clear, I am only talking about the aerial confrontation.
So moving the goal post to "ground targets being hit" is... what's the word... irrelevant to the conversation.
That India managed to strike Pakistan is undisputed, pictures are there to support the claims.
That Pakistan managed to shoot down Indian planes is, funnily enough, vehemently disputed despite pictures, reports and admissions by both sides supporting the claims. But confirmation biases gotta confirmation bias, I guess.
Botfarms might have been involved to some extent, just like they are involved in basically any event around the world no matter how big or small. They are meant for foreign consumption, and, unless I am wrong, I doubt either the Indian or Pakistani MoDs and governments are "botfarms". Nor that these "botfarms" are writing official speeches and statements.
I would also like to see the statement from BRICS about that victory over Israel.
Unless you are referring to that article?
Iran wins backing of BRICS allies over Israel, US strikes
RIO DE JANEIRO: Iran won the support of fellow BRICS nations meeting in Rio de Janeiro Sunday, with the bloc condemning recent Israel and US air strikes that hit military, nuclear and other targets. “We condemn the military strikes against the Islamic Republic of Iran since 13 June 2025,”...
www.arabnews.com
Which does not state any of the things you are claiming.
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