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The only way to stop Russian assistance to Assad is to bombard and capture Russian airbase at Latakia, if turkey swarm the airbase with combat drones surely in matter of time the airbase will fall and Assad will lose the whole war completely. But the question is turkey have balls to do it?.. hehe
 
The only way to stop Russian assistance to Assad is to bombard and capture Russian airbase at Latakia, if turkey swarm the airbase with combat drones surely in matter of time the airbase will fall and Assad will lose the whole war completely. But the question is turkey have balls to do it?.. hehe

Would you do so? And Russia wouldn't react? And do you really think that aftr attacking Russia, Turkey would win? In anything ... for a long time ?
 
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coming from Hezzbollah maggot... i bet is a fake.. shia always overclaim...hahaha
 
To clear up some misconceptions (hopefully not leading to further debate) :D

Marat is right about M-113's and ACV-15's being supplied to TFSA. HTS did get their hands on some, but this was provided to them via TFSA. They are distinct because they are unarmed, intended to be used purely as armored transports. Hence the video sometime ago of an unarmed ACV-15 engaging an SAA tank. And no, it was not an SVBIED.

There are currently 3 fronts to this whole Idlib thing. The EW aspect, which is purely Turkey and Russia. The air aspect which is Turkey-Syria/Russia and the ground aspect which is heavily Turkey-Syria/Iran.

The successful counter strikes by SAA was with heavy Hezbollah participation. One could say this has caused some issues between the Russians and the Iranians. Russia has been "uncomfortable" with heavy Iranian ground presence for sometime, and Iran is trying to help gain territory on the ground as a way to assure the SAA that they are more effective on the ground, than Russia is in the air.

TSK has lobbied heavily to deploy the Hisar-A and Hisar-O to the border. Up until now only HAWK's were deployed. The Hisar-A being the short range AA, and Hisar-O being the medium range AA. Technically the Hisar-O was not supposed to be ready until early next year but it seems this Idlib deployment will also be seen as a testing ground to improve the system. While they are no Patriot's, the military has to be realistic of a very possible "no" answer from the US/NATO. This in turn has defined TSK strategy in Syria. Make do with the local low/medium AA systems, do not cross the borders with the F-16's (the F-16's and Phantoms have all performed their airstrikes from the Turkish side) and apply all EW capabilities in the area to support the drones while they try to knock out any threats that would create the need for a long range AA system like Patriot or S-400 to begin with. If the Patriots are not sent I do not think there will be too much damage. If its one thing we shouldn't forget, the only reason you see all these drone strikes by Turkey is because the US refused to sell their own in 2008, forcing Turkey to produce its own. Delaying the sale/delivery of equipment you produce will only speed up the process of producing the local equivalent.

There are no plans to pull any article 5 from this, somebody said earlier that Trump told Erdo so. Not sure if he actually told Erdo this, but it's not necessary because everyone and their mother knows this is not article 5 worthy. There is still more dialogue with the Russian side about Idlib than there is with the US.

Also the Frenchy who knows who he is. You do not see ISIS patch, rather the seal of Muhammed. I know the difference is hard for you to grasp but there are more French citizens in ISIS than Turkish ones, so I would expect you to know better.
 
It is currently being reported that a group of terrorists tried to launch a chemical attack in the Idlib region (city of Saraqeb) but failed and ended up hurting themselves.
 
Turkey has balls and it doesn't want to loose them.

I wouldn't put it past an islamic fundamentalist. Turkey has been getting more openly confrontational with all sides for over a year now.
 
what time turkish leave from syria?
what point turkish invaded syria?
 
Hard to follow Twitter. Both sides claim victory, both sides claim massive casualties on other side.
 
Both sides claim victory, both sides claim massive casualties on other side.

While casualties on both sides high for sure, Turkish side failed to achieve any progress on the ground. Main reason for this - Syrian forces redeployed AA systems from the south (where they cover Damascus and Homs area from Israely strikes) and Turkey lost a dozen strike drones. Tomorrow will be Erdogan-Putin meeting so - i expect another ceasefire.
 
Hard to follow Twitter. Both sides claim victory, both sides claim massive casualties on other side.
The way i see.. surely assad regime suffer more heavy loss than turkey.. u can understand when u see every footage of turkish UAV precision strike compare to assad and russia not so coordinated strike.. Even although they have Saraqeb, i heard other front line getting captured by rebel such at Aleppo.. so it wouldnt be long maybe Russian things it will costly to continue to supporting Assad and make a saving face plan.. if in terms of logistic, turkey is much more at advantage compare to Russia and even Assad equipment not really up to date.. turkey can just replace their destroyed drone over and over again due to its homegrown product and not relying on foreign suppliers.. so i must say Turkey at the moment at advantage point..
 
To clear up some misconceptions (hopefully not leading to further debate) :D

Marat is right about M-113's and ACV-15's being supplied to TFSA. HTS did get their hands on some, but this was provided to them via TFSA. They are distinct because they are unarmed, intended to be used purely as armored transports. Hence the video sometime ago of an unarmed ACV-15 engaging an SAA tank. And no, it was not an SVBIED.

There are currently 3 fronts to this whole Idlib thing. The EW aspect, which is purely Turkey and Russia. The air aspect which is Turkey-Syria/Russia and the ground aspect which is heavily Turkey-Syria/Iran.

The successful counter strikes by SAA was with heavy Hezbollah participation. One could say this has caused some issues between the Russians and the Iranians. Russia has been "uncomfortable" with heavy Iranian ground presence for sometime, and Iran is trying to help gain territory on the ground as a way to assure the SAA that they are more effective on the ground, than Russia is in the air.

TSK has lobbied heavily to deploy the Hisar-A and Hisar-O to the border. Up until now only HAWK's were deployed. The Hisar-A being the short range AA, and Hisar-O being the medium range AA. Technically the Hisar-O was not supposed to be ready until early next year but it seems this Idlib deployment will also be seen as a testing ground to improve the system. While they are no Patriot's, the military has to be realistic of a very possible "no" answer from the US/NATO. This in turn has defined TSK strategy in Syria. Make do with the local low/medium AA systems, do not cross the borders with the F-16's (the F-16's and Phantoms have all performed their airstrikes from the Turkish side) and apply all EW capabilities in the area to support the drones while they try to knock out any threats that would create the need for a long range AA system like Patriot or S-400 to begin with. If the Patriots are not sent I do not think there will be too much damage. If its one thing we shouldn't forget, the only reason you see all these drone strikes by Turkey is because the US refused to sell their own in 2008, forcing Turkey to produce its own. Delaying the sale/delivery of equipment you produce will only speed up the process of producing the local equivalent.

There are no plans to pull any article 5 from this, somebody said earlier that Trump told Erdo so. Not sure if he actually told Erdo this, but it's not necessary because everyone and their mother knows this is not article 5 worthy. There is still more dialogue with the Russian side about Idlib than there is with the US.

Also the Frenchy who knows who he is. You do not see ISIS patch, rather the seal of Muhammed. I know the difference is hard for you to grasp but there are more French citizens in ISIS than Turkish ones, so I would expect you to know better.
What’s the reason for Turkey to keep its manned aircraft on its side of the border?

I‘m not saying they should cross, as their drones seem to be effective, but it seems to have left them uncovered in the early days, compounded by no AA missiles.... seems daft to tie both hands behind your back.

M113, can’t see what the excitement is about, most logical is Turkey, numbers seem high, so it’s not likely to be a few captured from here and there. And so what, looks like everyone is randomly using whatever they have.

one other point, all these militia, look like they are having fun, but what is there expectation at the end? Most likely to end with 9mm, or helfire......
 
The way i see.. surely assad regime suffer more heavy loss than turkey.. u can understand when u see every footage of turkish UAV precision strike compare to assad and russia not so coordinated strike.. Even although they have Saraqeb, i heard other front line getting captured by rebel such at Aleppo.. so it wouldnt be long maybe Russian things it will costly to continue to supporting Assad and make a saving face plan.. if in terms of logistic, turkey is much more at advantage compare to Russia and even Assad equipment not really up to date.. turkey can just replace their destroyed drone over and over again due to its homegrown product and not relying on foreign suppliers.. so i must say Turkey at the moment at advantage point..

Rebels did managed to caputure one town in Alepo region but it was recaptured same day so rebels didn't achive any success on any front in last several days. They lost Saraqeb and now they lost Afes, in south each day SAA and friends capture several new villages and they are closer and closer to M4 road.
Turkish drone attack are impressive but I would put my bet on RuAF attack as more lethal, we learn that from attack on TAF.
 
The only way to stop Russian assistance to Assad is to bombard and capture Russian airbase at Latakia, if turkey swarm the airbase with combat drones surely in matter of time the airbase will fall and Assad will lose the whole war completely. But the question is turkey have balls to do it?.. hehe

Sounds a tad simplistic.
 

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