Photos Armenia v Azerbaijan

[Paya]

To be fair, the Russian peacekeeping contingent in what's left of Artsakh is a guarantee that remaining Armenians will not be ethnically cleansed from the region. In fact, the sole guarantee. Which doesn't change the fact that there is now an unbroken Turkish corridor to the Caspian, that at least two thirds of the Armenian population of Artsakh are now refugees, and that Russia has just vassalized its ally.

As Russophile as I am, it is hard too see Russian inaction as anything other than self-serving stabilocracy and sphere of influence building while violating a supposed ally in the rear. The kind that the US has been doing for 70 years. You know, the people who Russia is supposed to be morally superior to.

 

[Paya]

Those kids who were driven barefoot grew up, and came back on tanks

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Dude, what's the necessary to bring the toilet back home

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A very slippery slope, mate. It's not like Eastern Anatolia is crawling with AK-totting descendants of Armenian refugees right about now, reciting the Lord's prayer in mosques.

Let's call this what it is. A premier example of might makes right.

 

[DACT]

TAP gas pipeline route, on the second map, interesting the position of the Russian gaskeepers.

 

[morris]

How many people are there?

Apparently it was enough to propel russophobic Pashinyan to power later on, which didn't turn to be beneficial for the nation.

 

[Paya]

Apparently it was enough to propel russophobic Pashinyan to power later on, which didn't turn to be beneficial for the nation.

Jesus, if you think that these C****s are the ones who put the current Armenian nomenclature in power, I'm guessing you're amazed that Russia is not governed by Navalny right about now.

Seriously, three grandmothers with a bad hair dye are hardly responsible for a regime change in a country with a statehood that is 2 and a half millennia old.

By the way, one of the first things that the russophobic Pashinyan said was "Russia is still our foremost strategic partner." And even if it wasn't so, does one politician negate a few hundred years of at least cordial relations?

These are the people who bled for Russia for more than a hundred years, not just in the Caucasus. Not to mention their contribution to Russian culture, science and military achievements. Never turned their backs to their bachushka in St. Petersburg or Moscow. This is just plain wrong.

 

[morris]

Jesus, if you think that these C****s are the ones who put the current Armenian nomenclature in power, I'm guessing you're amazed that Russia is not governed by Navalny right about now.

Seriously, three grandmothers with a bad hair dye are hardly responsible for a regime change in a country with a statehood that is 2 and a half millennia old.

By the way, one of the first things that the russophobic Pashinyan said was "Russia is still our foremost strategic partner." And even if it wasn't so, does one politician negate a few hundred years of at least cordial relations?

These are the people who bled for Russia for more than a hundred years, not just in the Caucasus. Not to mention their contribution to Russian culture, science and military achievements. Never turned their backs to their bachushka in St. Petersburg or Moscow. This is just plain wrong.

They are proverbal usefull idiots, Jesus has nothing to do with that.

Relations between the countries′ governments strained following the election of Nikol Pashinyan as prime minister of Armenia in May 2018. Pashinyan has been compared by Russian politicians and media to Ukraine's Petro Poroshenko. Tensions were further raised following the arrests of former president Robert Kocharyan and CSTO secretary general Yuri Khatchaturov as well as business disputes involving Russian companies operating in Armenia.

 

[Paya]

They are proverbal usefull idiots, Jesus has nothing to do with that.

Relations between the countries′ governments strained following the election of Nikol Pashinyan as prime minister of Armenia in May 2018. Pashinyan has been compared by Russian politicians and media to Ukraine's Petro Poroshenko. Tensions were further raised following the arrests of former president Robert Kocharyan and CSTO secretary general Yuri Khatchaturov as well as business disputes involving Russian companies operating in Armenia.

OK, so why hasn't Alyev, an ally of the second most powerful NATO country, received any flak? Why isn't his government treated as a hostile one, being the single biggest threat to Russian energy dominance in Europe?

Again, (Western) useful idiots are not in short supply anywhere in the former Eastern Bloc, including Russia. They have a tendency to take over, disappoint the general populace, and then fall from power in a spectacular and utterly democratic fashion. If the phenomena is worth ditching a traditional ally, then Russia should get used to the old Imperial maxim "Russia has only two allies, its Army and its Navy." Because it's the only two it deserves.

The Armenians have bled for Russia for more than a hundred years. If Pashinyan is enough to make Russia forget that fact, than what does it say about Russia?

 

[morris]

OK, so why hasn't Alyev, an ally of the second most powerful NATO country, received any flak?

Aliev is smarter then Pashinyan and doesn't go into stupid anti-Russian rhetoric.

Russia should get used to the old Imperial maxim "Russia has only two allies, its Army and its Navy." Because it's the only two it deserves.

How many allies do have Armenia and your own country?
BTW, where is Pashinyan now? There are rumors that he is hiding in the US embassy.

 

[morris]

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Suspect in attempted assassination of Pashinyan released in courtroom.

Former head of the National Security Service of Armenia Artur Vatsenyan, who was suspected of preparing an attempt on the life of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, was released from custody by a court decision.

 

[Paya]

Aliev is smarter then Pashinyan and doesn't go into stupid anti-Russian rhetoric.

Did the Armenian prime minister? Does not matter in the slightest in the grand scheme of things, but did he? A quote would be nice. Does it matter?

How many allies do have Armenia and your own country?

Armenia apparently has none. As for my own country, I don't know any more. Does it matter?

BTW, where is Pashinyan now? There are rumors that he is hiding in the US embassy.

If he was the head of government of my own country, I would have him hanged by the balls on the main square, regardless of his place of residence. Does it matter?

 

[Paya]

This is the fate of Artsakh, barring huge geopolitical developments:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Slavonia,_Baranja_and_Western_Syrmia_(1995–1998)

 

[Gordus]

than what does it say about Russia?

Didn't you hear ? no more "brotherly politics". It's "only business" now. Gee. Get with the times @Paya ! Smh.

 

[Musashi]

TAP gas pipeline route, on the second map, interesting the position of the Russian gaskeepers.

Pisskeepers™, I say

 

[morris]

Did the Armenian prime minister?

When the Armenian Parliament ratified the treaty of accession to the Eurasian Economic Union in December 2014, Pashinyan was among the seven MPs who voted against the ratification.
In 2017, the Yelk opposition coalition, one of whose leaders was Nikol Pashinyan, proposed in the Parliament to withdraw the country from the Eurasian Economic Union.

 

[muck]

Cry me a river.

The reality of 21st century international politics and relations is that everyone is for himself. Russia doesn’t, shouldn’t, and won’t practice anymore “brotherly” politics in which it saves the asses of weaker or smaller states while those states complain, cry, or play with alternative ideas of allegiances.
The era of “Mommy Russia” is over. No state is entitled to think of itself as a child, everyone is an adult that has to take responsibility for his actions. Just as post-soviet states primarily focus on extracting maximum benefits using real-politic approach to partnerships and promises, so does Russia act purely out of its own self interest. There is no betrayals to speak of, it’s “only business”. And Russia wasn’t the one who started this trend, it’s actually late to the party compared to how quickly its neighbours jumped on that bandwagon.

I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do with this rant. Didn't Armenia and Russia sign a treaty of mutual defence? And doesn't Russia claim patronage over the Eastern Christians? Put another way, wouldn't the Lithuanians be pretty miffed if your country was attacked but NATO didn't come to their aid as promised?

However, the Armenian-Russian treaty is sort of vague. From what I can gather, it only compells Russia to render aid in the event of an attack on Armenia proper. Nagorno-Karabakh is not Armenia proper. Putin followed a course of pragmatik realpolitik and preserved Russia's neutrality in the Armenian-Azeri conflict.

But truth be told, I suppose that if Turkey hadn't involved herself raising the risk of outright conflict Russia would've intervened far more strongly. Not only are her economic interests at stake, it's also a considerable bit of territorial conflict right in her back yard. I kind of agree with many observers that Azerbaijan's victory is a symbolic Turkish victory over Russia. Unfortunately so, since it leaves Erdogan emboldened.

 

[morris]

Pisskeepers™, I say

Pole dancing™ nice to watch

 

[morris]

Didn't Armenia and Russia sign a treaty of mutual defence?

They did indeed but not with NG, which is not recognized by any country, including Armenia, as part of Armenia.

doesn't Russia claim patronage over the Eastern Christians?

I think it is a very old joke considering that some of those EC are part of NATO.

 

[Paya]

Didn't you hear ? no more "brotherly politics". It's "only business" now. Gee. Get with the times @Paya ! Smh.

Cool. Someone really should have told the Armenians, but cool.

When the Armenian Parliament ratified the treaty of accession to the Eurasian Economic Union in December 2014, Pashinyan was among the seven MPs who voted against the ratification.
In 2017, the Yelk opposition coalition, one of whose leaders was Nikol Pashinyan, proposed in the Parliament to withdraw the country from the Eurasian Economic Union.

So how does that negate the centuries of good relations and a century and a half of killing and dying for Russia? Cultural and scientific contributions notwithstanding?

I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do with this rant. Didn't Armenia and Russia sign a treaty of mutual defence? And doesn't Russia claim patronage over the Eastern Christians? Put another way, wouldn't the Lithuanians be pretty miffed if your country was attacked but NATO didn't come to their aid as promised?

Sorry to interfere, but it doesn't. But neither did the Americans have an agreement with the Bosnian Muslims, Kosovo Albanians, Lybian rebels, Syrian rebels, and yet they intervened in their behalf, to varying results.

However, the Armenian-Russian treaty is sort of vague. From what I can gather, it only compells Russia to render aid in the event of an attack on Armenia proper. Nagorno-Karabakh is not Armenia proper. Putin followed a course of pragmatik realpolitik and preserved Russia's neutrality in the Armenian-Azeri conflict.

See above, jebiga.

But truth be told, I suppose that if Turkey hadn't involved herself raising the risk of outright conflict Russia would've intervened far more strongly. Not only are her economic interests at stake, it's also a considerable bit of territorial conflict right in her back yard. I kind of agree with many observers that Azerbaijan's victory is a symbolic Turkish victory over Russia. Unfortunately so, since it leaves Erdogan emboldened.

Erdogan is only allowed to move in the confines that the US and Russia allow him to. Anything beyond that is sure to invite a painful bloody nose. Unfortunately for the Syrians, Lybians, and Armenians, and possibly Greeks and Serbs, that margin is pretty wide. Did someone say 'appeasement?'

 

[Gordus]

Cool. Someone really should have told the Armenians, but cool.

Right ? that's what I thought of that statement as well.

 

[morris]

good relations and a century and a half of killing and dying for Russia? Cultural and scientific contributions notwithstanding?

About same can be said about Azeries.