Politics The future of European defence strategy & manufacturing

[thelistener]

We can all hate on Trump, but he managed to move European defense forward in two months more than the last decades of civil discussions and meetings.

Assuming that the promises of increased spending and manpower materialize.

Yes. Obviously we shall know was this shift, a net benefit for us or not, in a decade or more. But i'm beyond happy that the likes of Germany started to step up in 2022, and shifted to second gear after Trump.

I just read some finnish leftist and green policy papers from a decade ago about defense spending ideas and got the shivers. We as well, might have gotten royally F***ed by our "well-meaning liberal friends" as one former US president once said.

Now this doesn't mean i understand/grasp for example @Chazman praise and kiddy for Trump given the threats to allies in respects to Canada or Greenland. But thats why frequent this forum to get their perspective. But on this one, Europe needs to and has to "Look in the mirror" as our former president once said.

It's a good thread, lets not focus on the US on this one, unless it has to do with arms deals or some such.

 

[Chazman]

Now this doesn't mean i understand/grasp for example @Chazman praise and kiddy for Trump given the threats to allies in respects to Canada or Greenland. But thats why frequent this forum to get their perspective.

Honestly, I don't understand the Canada 51st State stuff either. Trust me, we DO NOT want Canada for a variety of reasons, especially as 51st State. Canada can't win a trade war, either. I expect things will settle down after Canadian elections.

As far as Greenland goes, both Russia and China are eyeing it, especially Russia. ESPECIALLY Russia. Denmark has no way to properly defend it. Although they did send two military dog teams this week. I don't know what will happen with Greenland, but I don't think Trump will allow China or Russia to control it.

 

[primer]

Trade California.

 

[LimaCharles]

Honestly, I don't understand the Canada 51st State stuff either. Trust me, we DO NOT want Canada for a variety of reasons, especially as 51st State. Canada can't win a trade war, either. I expect things will settle down after Canadian elections.

As far as Greenland goes, both Russia and China are eyeing it, especially Russia. ESPECIALLY Russia. Denmark has no way to properly defend it. Although they did send two military dog teams this week. I don't know what will happen with Greenland, but I don't think Trump will allow China or Russia to control it.

Agreed. After a Canuck living here had explained it to me, nope, no fricking way would we want even more California's and New York's types to make socialism here a reality.

 

[Picanha]

I live in Germany if that matters but yes you are right let's remain civil I will leave out my cynical comments.