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Probably, but what about their employees? They'd have to be conscripted, otherwise you couldn't order them to stay and work.

You need a law for mandatory work for war effort. Such as:

Section 95 (8.7.2022/706)
Persons subject to compulsory work

If, in the exceptional circumstances referred to in Section 3, paragraphs 1 and 2, compulsory employment placement and restriction of the right to dismissal are not sufficient measures to safeguard national defence, protection of the population, essential healthcare or production of particular importance in terms of minimum income or security of supply, every resident of Finland who has a municipality of residence in Finland in accordance with the Municipality of Residence Act
(201/1994)
and who has reached the age of 18 but not 68 years is obliged to perform work necessary to achieve the purpose of this Act.

You don't need to conscript them, they are simply required to work and are not allowed to quit.
 
You need a law for mandatory work for war effort. Such as:



You don't need to conscript them, they are simply required to work and are not allowed to quit.
For example the Dutch government passed a law fairly recently which allows the government to take control of defence-related industry and their supply chain including the workforce. Another one regarding protection measures for industry is in the works including banning the sale of companies and technology transfer to foreign entities.

The Netherlands War Act of 1999 states that the government may seize any production, goods, resources, land and infrastructure, ban public events (including labor strikes) and forcibly employ every citizen aged 18 and above. Then there's banning news sources, performing checks on individuals, interning people considered a threat etc.
 
Joint Target Support Centre enables deployment of long-range weapons

The Netherlands is going through the process of purchasing long-range weapons. In doing so, the Netherlands is contributing to the reinforcement required by NATO. In order to deploy the weapons correctly, the Joint Target Support Centre (JTSC) was established today.
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Deep Precision Strike (DPS) weapons make it possible to attack well-protected targets in deep enemy territory with precision. The weapons are also able to find and eliminate targets without navigation aids such as GPS.

The Joint Target Support Centre processes detailed information about military targets. Furthermore, the centre plans and coordinates the routes of the weapons to their target. This is done in close coordination with others in the deployment area. For example, the airspace must be free of aircraft. The mobility of the target and its surroundings are also taken into account. All this information requires coordination so that no accidents or other undesirable effects occur in the mission area.

The JTSC is staffed by personnel from all branches of the armed forces. This is done to combine specific knowledge from each domain and to make maximum use of it when deploying Dutch (long-range) weapons.
 
Industry comes up with plan for own satellites

Dutch industry has a plan to support Ukraine faster and better from space. This by launching high-quality satellite systems. State Secretary Gijs Tuinman received the proposal ‘Military use of space’ in The Hague today.

The satellites must be built more quickly. The aim is for them to detect radar and communication systems from space. This allows them to identify possible threats. For example, Ukraine knows where enemy targets are located using satellite systems and can anticipate them.

Tuinman had previously asked the industry for an accelerated plan for this. It will not only help Ukraine, but should also provide its own armed forces with more and better intelligence. The Dutch Defence Space Security Centre is interested in the extra satellite capacity for Defence. This will allow our country to collect intelligence independently.

The State Secretary is pleased with the sector’s proposal. “The urgency is great and we all realise that. Money, knowledge and resources go hand in hand.”

5 parties
Five parties worked on the proposal. First of all FSO, which specializes in laser satellite communication. That technology was also developed by Defense and TNO. Then VDL-ETG who work on the serial production of satellites. Then ISISPACE which already develops satellites for Defense. TNO and NLR are permanent knowledge partners of Defense. Finally S[&]T, a technical company specialized in antennas, data processing and positioning, navigation and timing.
 
The NATO summit on the 24th & 25th of June has meant that police across the country is understaffed with (sports) events being cancelled throughout the year due to lack of police presence to make up for the additional shifts officers are running in the week of the summit. Part of the main arteries of The Hague will have been closed off for two months when it starts.

- Several frigates, OPVs and mine hunters (and bet on a sub or two);
- Sea lanes are closed near The Hague with only the port of Scheveningen partially accessible and a naval exclusion zone;
- SAM batteries;
- F-35s and a NATO AWACS;
- Airspace completely closed off in a 16km radius, restrictions on other national air traffic;
- One of the landing strips at Schiphol Airport will be closed off to park jets;
- ~37,000 security personnel;
- Additional drone counter measures;
- Additional (NATO) cybersecurity;
- Etc etc etc.

And all of that for two days, of which it is rumoured the big whigs will only be present for one of the two days.

Ffs, just get on Zoom already :rolleyes:
 
The NATO summit on the 24th & 25th of June has meant that police across the country is understaffed with (sports) events being cancelled throughout the year due to lack of police presence to make up for the additional shifts officers are running in the week of the summit. Part of the main arteries of The Hague will have been closed off for two months when it starts.

- Several frigates, OPVs and mine hunters (and bet on a sub or two);
- Sea lanes are closed near The Hague with only the port of Scheveningen partially accessible and a naval exclusion zone;
- SAM batteries;
- F-35s and a NATO AWACS;
- Airspace completely closed off in a 16km radius, restrictions on other national air traffic;
- One of the landing strips at Schiphol Airport will be closed off to park jets;
- ~37,000 security personnel;
- Additional drone counter measures;
- Additional (NATO) cybersecurity;
- Etc etc etc.

And all of that for two days, of which it is rumoured the big whigs will only be present for one of the two days.

Ffs, just get on Zoom already :rolleyes:
The "elites" in action :rolleyes:
 
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So he will or won't supply Taurus.. hey sexy fella, all that military and no projection.
 
Supplying Taurus to Ukraine will help Ukraine, to some very broad and generous extent, but not really Europe.

That is, in the sense that Europe is aiming at rearming itself and rebuilding its military, if that's what Europe is indeed willing to do and not just some grandiloquent announcement not meant to be followed by actual actions.
Supplying Taurus to hit Russia only helps on a relatively short, or very short, period of time when put into perspective of the "European Defense Strategy".

Solution would perhaps to consider new ways to produce more of them, at a lower price and in a shortest period of time, if possible, along with new platforms and ways to deploy them. Diversifying and "uniformizing" inter-operability, that kind of thing.
 
Taurus's engine is produced by US-based Williams International, so there's ITAR to consider. The Biden administration threatened to veto Germany handing the missiles over to Ukraine in 2023; we'll see how Trump reacts if the question arises.
The NATO summit on the 24th & 25th of June has meant that police across the country is understaffed with (sports) events being cancelled throughout the year due to lack of police presence to make up for the additional shifts officers are running in the week of the summit.
Out of curiosity, does the Dutch police require sports clubs to cover the costs of police interventions?

Call me a kill-joy, but it's kinda crazy how we just put up with the fact that thousands of cops are necessary every other match day to keep a resemblance of peace. 🤔
 
Out of curiosity, does the Dutch police require sports clubs to cover the costs of police interventions?

Call me a kill-joy, but it's kinda crazy how we just put up with the fact that thousands of cops are necessary every other match day to keep a resemblance of peace. 🤔
Football clubs do not. Cycling events do have to pay. I don't know about other sports.
 
Football clubs do not. Cycling events do have to pay. I don't know about other sports.

I suppose that would also take into consideration the general attendance of such events. Usually, that is.

In term of people coming, there are clearly more people present at anything football related than anything else. Thus turning the whole safety apparatus into a a local/municipal thing, rather that something to be handled by the clubs involved in that event. Though they might probably be asked to provide some kind of participation in whatever way.

For cycling events, I gather it is races going through towns, villages and such, the police is usually there to provide traffic safety. Though most of it is provided by staff from the orga. There might be two or three cars/bikes present just in case.


But if there is a huge security-sensitive event taking place at the same time, I'd assume other social events leading to significant crowd gatherings would be either canceled or discouraged.
 
I suppose that would also take into consideration the general attendance of such events. Usually, that is.

In term of people coming, there are clearly more people present at anything football related than anything else. Thus turning the whole safety apparatus into a a local/municipal thing, rather that something to be handled by the clubs involved in that event. Though they might probably be asked to provide some kind of participation in whatever way.
Other sports get sold-out large venues too, but only football requires the massive police presence because of the tribalist tendencies of football fans. Clubs should be paying the bills for the misconduct of their own imbeciles, but well it's only taxpayer money so meh.
 
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The plan is to re-invigorate the EU and its MIC.

Turkey is not part of the EU and, hopefully, never will.
The US, obviously, isn't part of the EU.
The UK got through the whole Brexit to get out of the EU, can't have the cake and eat it.


So yeah, US, UK and Turkey are out.
I don't know why it matters there's never going to be an EU army that secedes from NATO
 
I don't know why it matters there's never going to be an EU army that secedes from NATO

A EU army would provide another, smaller and localized, layer of redundancy.

Allowing Europe to engage in its own military campaigns, offensive or defensive, without involving NATO and thus risking to trigger any of its articles.

And also allowing Europe more independence and self-reliability, instead of expecting its security to be insured by other bigger foreign actors (the US).
 

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