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Politics Judith Collins vs Jacinda Ardern

@Jake84

Macron is a great disappointment to me since I thought he could perhaps become the archetype of a new form of politician – a civilised populist who transcends the traditional political landscape and doesn't oppose ideas merely because of the identity of those who had it.

Well, it seems we're forever stuck with emotional feminist nursemaids on one side, pompous right-wing populist pricks on the other and a black sea of spineless tadpoles in the middle.
 
What happened to the silent majority. The one that used to regularly turn up at elections and convincingly wreck the polls.

Well they got a voice. Not sure if it was via those digital monopolies where people waste their lives in angst ridden replies like it's an opiate perhaps, a cure for their ills. Or Trump or whatever but as proof they got amped up, even here the right has grown to match the left. In the real election the right are now up on them by 1%. I call that a win.
Previously the right was doing dancing on tele with the stars while the lefty greenie monster was threatening the status quo. A bit slow to get out of bed but they got there ok.
 
SARS-2 seems to have proven fruitful (in a political sense) once more, I gather. I suppose that amongst all the elections to take place in 2020 (or could've taken place) only the American one will not be tipped by what the people think of their governments' response.

It's been a strange year. In Italy, the rising star of populism was blown out of the sky in their recent elections. In Germany, a relatively unpopular state prime minister became through his emergency measures the first politician ever to reach 100% approval ratings.

Many Westerners now want a big government, a "let me take your hand and guide you through the thick of it"-kind of government. I'm kind of surprised that Donald Trump isn't tapping into this sentiment more to win over the swing voters. Never before in recent memory was approval as easy to be had as now. Just look active and many people will love you for it.
 
Jake84 said:
Thanks, your second paragraph reminds me of today’s France « big talk, no balls ».
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Not even sure it is could qualify as "big talk" anyway.

But merely a way to buy some time. So, instead of "big talk" I would just go for "mouth sounds and noises".
 
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muck said:
Quite frankly, I'm beginning to question the leadership ability of our female politicians. Not of women, mind you, but of this specific generation of she-leaders who seem to make no distinction between ruling a country and being a pre-school teacher. Ardern, Marin, Trudeau… every time I leave a place I'm almost expecting their kind to show up and tell me with a motherly-disappointed face to make sure I drive safely.

And, not to forget, Angela Merkel… who sometime around 2011 had her brains and her sense of honour amputated and replaced with a tamagotchi. Where are the Thatchers of this world?
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I'm sorry to say muck but Mrs Thatcher was a disaster . She effectively sold a boat load of public assets paid for by the war generation to the boomer generation at fire sale prices so now we all have to pay more . For example she sold millions of public stock houses for under 10k ( with the promise to reinvest that money into new housing which never happened ) but now those houses go for 100k to 300k . She effectively forced subsequent generations to pay more for what previous generations had simply so banks could sell ever larger mortgages to make or create money . This then reduces people's ability to pay taxes as they have less , public services go downhill and the remedy to this problem is ...... more privatisation . As I said earlier our politicians devolved economic power to the banks and why we ve ended up with a bunch of dead beat politicians who have nothing to offer past virtue signaling .
 
@bfc1001

I wasn't talking about her policies but her style of leadership. Say what you will about the Iron Lady, but one can totally buy she did what she believed was right; and she wasn't afraid to defend her decisions.

Whereas this generation of kindergarten teachers I was referring to wouldn't wipe their own bottoms if a member of the public objected to her unkind treatment of the arse crumbs in her panties.

Can you imagine Jacinda Ardern leading New Zealand through a war?
 
bfc1001 said:
I'm sorry to say muck but Mrs Thatcher was a disaster . She effectively sold a boat load of public assets paid for by the war generation to the boomer generation at fire sale prices so now we all have to pay more . For example she sold millions of public stock houses for under 10k ( with the promise to reinvest that money into new housing which never happened ) but now those houses go for 100k to 300k . She effectively forced subsequent generations to pay more for what previous generations had simply so banks could sell ever larger mortgages to make or create money . This then reduces people's ability to pay taxes as they have less , public services go downhill and the remedy to this problem is ...... more privatisation . As I said earlier our politicians devolved economic power to the banks and why we ve ended up with a bunch of dead beat politicians who have nothing to offer past virtue signaling .
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sorry but under Thatcher and every Conservative government people who are prepared to work are better off - under Liebour they always seem to make the work-shy and the feckless better off

I have always been better off under a Conservative Government and worse off under a Liebour government

Last Liebour government in the UK bankrupted the country - sold off all the gold etc. - complete an utter economic mismanagement under Gordon Clown

Give me Thatcher every day of the week - about time we bought back poll tax ;)
 
muck said:
@bfc1001

I wasn't talking about her policies but her style of leadership. Say what you will about the Iron Lady, but one can totally buy she did what she believed was right; and she wasn't afraid to defend her decisions.

Whereas this generation of kindergarten teachers I was referring to wouldn't wipe their own bottoms if a member of the public objected to her unkind treatment of the arse crumbs in her panties.

Can you imagine Jacinda Ardern leading New Zealand through a war?
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If she legalizes cannabis she will struggle to get anyone to do anything - let alone go to war
 
muck said:
@bfc1001

I wasn't talking about her policies but her style of leadership. Say what you will about the Iron Lady, but one can totally buy she did what she believed was right; and she wasn't afraid to defend her decisions.

Whereas this generation of kindergarten teachers I was referring to wouldn't wipe their own bottoms if a member of the public objected to her unkind treatment of the arse crumbs in her panties.

Can you imagine Jacinda Ardern leading New Zealand through a war?
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She was certainly belligerent , I'll give her that . Im merely highlighting how western democracies have ended up like they have , impotent and unable to make any meaningful decisions . I have watched jacinda arderns acceptance speech and for me it was straight out of the 1990 s . She's nothing to offer . As far as I can see her economic plan is interest free loans for the masses which will more than likely end up ballooning national debt even more when that doesn't work .
 
Covid was basically left up to the Director of Health's interpretation of the WHO and the limited resources. Which obviously is a shut down everytime is gets slightly risky as there are no resources.
Some hospital recently the number of nurses ready to handle covid were still next to nill.
 
Nikki Kaye, Todd Mullers 2ic whipped Taxcinders arse twice in Central Auckland electorate. It is sad how Nats performed this year. Its a changing tide. Now they have a really Greeny MP there.
The press portrayed Nats as being some clown show and the Greens are the lovely idealists. I kind of wonder how comfortable all the lefty press is on their well paid salaries and the shared beach batch. How comfortable they would be on a higher tax bracket to pay for those lovely ideals.
John Campbell, one of the more wealthy lefty broadcaster did question the Green co-leader specifically on higher taxes. For someone who is always generous with others money on TV he was visibly concerned what would happen to someone in his tax bracket should NZ go all Russia 1917.
 
primer said:
Covid was basically left up to the Director of Health's interpretation of the WHO and the limited resources. Which obviously is a shut down everytime is gets slightly risky as there are no resources.
Some hospital recently the number of nurses ready to handle covid were still next to nill.
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If your last sentence is anything to go by then snap , the UK s pretty much in the same boat . But that's what you get when you decide to create an army of Amazon workers delivering consumerism . 1000s and 1000s of missed doctors appointments due to COVID . We just don't have the staff but if you want next day delivery then we're on it .
 
bfc1001 said:
If your last sentence is anything to go by then snap , the UK s pretty much in the same boat . But that's what you get when you decide to create an army of Amazon workers delivering consumerism . 1000s and 1000s of missed doctors appointments due to COVID . We just don't have the staff but if you want next day delivery then we're on it .
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Perhaps we should get Amazon to deliver our health services:rolleyes:
 
You'd probably get your drugs delivered by drones within an hour, tele-medicine with subject experts world wide and a version of Alexa that you have to use as a suppository...

primer said:
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The press portrayed Nats as being some clown show and the Greens are the lovely idealists. ...
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It wasn't hard because they were acting like clowns. Playing "leader swap" every five minutes, making buffoonish statements and barely concealed attempts to grab the 1.2% of NC voters by going to church. Collins is a clown and not the happy kind. More of a "we all float down here" kind.
 
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