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Not following this too closely but it seems like the red, red-greens are going to take hold to some extent even though Merkel’s party shall remain just with a different muppet.

Probably after four years, and hopefully less of this the Germans will be sane again.

I’ve talked a bit about how the greenies are holding their cities around here which they’ve won. Basically leaving the scum of the earth alone in the streets dealing and doing petty crimes, being welcoming toward the third world yet ruthless about the average joe going to work with his diesel car and enjoying meat.

NOT something I’m looking forward to.
 
The latest aggregate poll will have CDU/CSU at 21.4%. The irony: a recent survey by Civey shows that if the party bigwigs had picked Markus Söder over Armin Laschet, their party would stand at 37% now. I am really anxious about a left-wing government, but boy oh boy! The Blacks deserve everything that's coming for them. The Merkellians have lost all touch with reality, which is about to bite them in the arse.
 
Preliminary polls suggest that Olaf Scholz has won the first chancellorship TV debate. Armin Laschet received mixed feedback, whereas Annalena Baerbock failed to make an impression.
 
Then this will be eye opening for you:


It's called: play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
Who spent months propping and shielding the Belarussian version of Juan Guaido? Has anyone in EU, Germany including, lifted a single finger to tell Balts and Polaks to stop waging political/diplomatic warfare against Belarus? No. Why? Because "protecting democratic values" is more important than "preventing inter-state conflicts and instability". To the same degree as "protecting human rights worldwide" is more important than "preventing the rise of ghettoed radical Islam in European capitals that directly endangers the lives of all European citizens."

So now that the children screwed up their little game of regime-change, they got bitten in the ass, and now Luka, stronger and more entrenched than ever, will continue to put the pain on them in retaliation, both economically and politically, while the rest of EU has to clean up their mess. But will the EU come out of their closet and say "Actually, Balts F***ed up! We need to find means to rebuild our relationship with Belarus"?
No, of course they won't say that. To them, Belarus that is headed by Lukashenko is now an enemy state. Why? Purely and only because of ideology optics.
Does it somehow benefit EU citizens if EU leaders view and treat Belarus as an enemy? Of course not. Never did, never will. But they will continue doing it. Because muh values.

The main threat to EU are the retarded policies and ideologies of the EU that lead to hostility with their neighbors as well as to the multiple migrant crises and ensuing collateral damage exemplified by terror attacks, rape, and ruined city streets.
Energy deals, economic partnerships, security partnerships, sharing vital intelligence, geopolitical decisions - all of these things in EU are dominated and ruled solely by ideology. Or as I like to call it: brain cancer.

Big whoop if you don't like Lukashenko. But he's not your business, your business is to follow the basic ethics of diplomacy and international relations with all countries, regardless of whether they align with your values or not. Because as liberal democracies, it is your job to ensure a peaceful and pleasant environment for your own citizens. But for now, everything the EU does only sets both its own borders and its own streets on fire. Because muh ideology. The EU is basically doing the same thing to itself what it had already done (with US help) to Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Deep inner instability brought to you by democratic values™

BTW speaking of « Sharia duds ». You aware of the state of affairs in Chechnya, Daguestan and the likes I presume? Because those are the pinnacle of it and they have been flooding Russia for decades, all while chopping russkies heads off and put them on sticks outside their villages during the reign of Bassayev, Emir Khattab and the likes. Not to mention the contingents they sent to Syria and Iraq during IS « Caliphate ».

Chechnya and Dagestan are Russian territories, that are inhabited by indigenous Muslims.
What indigenous Muslim territories does the EU have? Well, if the, again, retarded policies and ideologies of EU will persist, soon all of Europe will be classified as indigenously Muslim.

It's really a weird comparison you made there.
 
Party
after TV debate​
Previous, in %
2017 Elections, in %
CDU/CSU
21.5
22.6
32.9
SPD
25.3
23.1
20.5
AfD
11.2
10.8
12.6
FDP
12.2
12.0
10.7
Left
6.2
6.7
9.2
Greens
16
17.5
8.9
(average from 3 polls taken on September 13 and September 14 after the TV debate; missing to 100%: small parties unlikely to win caucus recognition )

The Greens will never support a candidate as unpopular as Armin Laschet if he's the runner-up. Barring a miracle, the next Chancellor will be one Olaf Scholz. One question remains: How left-leaning will his administration turn out to be. 'Germany' (Red-Black-Yellow), 'Traffic Lights' (Red-Green-Yellow) and Red-Red-Green are all options open to him.

As a noteworthy aside, the 2021 general elections are reportedly set to go down in history as the ones with the highest donation input from outside Germany. The current leaders in terms of foreign donations are the Greens. Their single largest donation came from Dutch media moghul Steven Schuurman, who gave €1.25 million.
 
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The 2021 general elections are reportedly set to go down in history as the ones with the highest donation input from outside Germany

Isn't this interference in Germany's democratic process punishable by sanctions?
 
Political parties in Germany may accept donations from private individuals or corporations if both the donor's identity and sum are disclosed to the public. So far, there are no indications the laws weren't followed in this campaign season.

If you mean to rekindle the dicussion about foreign "interference", well, donations from foreign governments are not permissible. There've been instances where organisations with ties to foreign governments pumped money into election campaigns in Germany, but that's not forbidden.

Angela Merkel of all people was perhaps the single most notable beneficiary of foreign funding. After her vocal support of the Iraq Invasion, a think tank connected to the Republicans under Bush gave funding to the CDU/CSU campaigns of 2002 and 2005 respectively.
 
If you mean to rekindle the dicussion about foreign "interference"

No, just read news that some German opinion influencing bodies flog the dead horse about Russian interference without irrefutable proof again and as we saw before these fake news can be used in internal political struggle like was the case against president Trump.
 
In Germany, such accusations are less about Russia and more about this country's paranoia when it comes to data security. There has been a bit of fear-mongering, that's true, but then again there is irrefutable proof that Russia-based hackers widely believed to be in cohoots with the Russian government hacked the Federal Diet a few years back; and in 2017, AfD received donations from state-owned Russian companies without declaring them. No matter the motive behind or the efficacy of that course of action, I can at least see why they'd call that an attempt to influence.

Having said that, there's kind of little to gain from potential attempts to influence the elections or, alternatively, from spreading false accusations of such attempts. Unlike America's or even Great Britain's, the German political system is way too multipolar to be influenced like that. There is no powerful political force to serve as a useful agent for Mr. Putin's interests. Most Germans are indifferent towards Russia; only the far-right and the far-left each are decidedly pro-Russia, but even combined their supporters will never amount to more than a fourth of the population.
 
The latest polls are here. CDU/CSU have recovered a couple of points, with some pollsters seeing them above 23%, but they're still poised to be soundly beaten. CSU's caucus leader has told the media if they become the runner-up his party will not attempt to form a government.

In doing so, he reaffirmed their abiding by an unwritten law of German parliamentarianism stipulating the Chancellor should always come from the largest caucus in parliament (legally it doesn't matter where the candidate's majority comes from). In other words, they will go into the opposition.

Meanwhile, Christian Lindner of the FDP refused to tell media members whether or not he'd stand by his previous declaration his party would never enter into a government with SPD and Greens. Personally, I believe that's what we're headed for: SPD, Greens, FDP a.k.a. 'traffic lights'.

Party
September 8—September 18, in %
Previous, in %
2017 Elections, in %
CDU/CSU
21.8
22.6
32.9
SPD
25.6
23.1
20.5
AfD
11.1
10.8
12.6
FDP
11.0
12.0
10.7
Left
6.3
6.7
9.2
Greens
15.8
17.5
8.9
(average from 8 polls taken between September 8 and September 18; missing to 100%: small parties unlikely to win caucus recognition)

Oh boy, to think a mere few years back anything below 40% was considered a humiliation for either SPD or CDU/CSU…
 
Oh boy, to think a mere few years back anything below 40% was considered a humiliation for either SPD or CDU/CSU…
You know, you had the flood, so Gründiots started gaining some extraordinary support.
 
In Germany, such accusations are less about Russia and more about this country's paranoia when it comes to data security. There has been a bit of fear-mongering, that's true, but then again there is irrefutable proof that Russia-based hackers widely believed to be in cohoots with the Russian government hacked the Federal Diet a few years back; and in 2017, AfD received donations from state-owned Russian companies without declaring them. No matter the motive behind or the efficacy of that course of action, I can at least see why they'd call that an attempt to influence.
It's widely-known than both the Austrian nationalists (FPÖ) and the German party with the dick-shaped logo are on monsieur Putain's payroll.
The Austrian government collapsed for a reason in 2019.


Lenin referred to such people as "useful idiots".
 
It's widely-known than both the Austrian nationalists (FPÖ) and the German party with the dick-shaped logo are on monsieur Putain's payroll.

It also was widely known that President Trump was :D
I reckon they were hackers from Poland to get compo money from Germans.
 
It also was widely known that President Trump was :D
I reckon they were hackers from Poland to get compo money from Germans.
Regarding Trump, you are using the famous Russian/Soviet tactics of whataboutism or/and trying to be funny.
The KEY difference is, the corrupt Austrian politicians DID admit their wrongdoing, so everything was proven and the Austrian government collapsed for a reason. Can't you see the difference between this case and Trump?

I can safely assume that you will take this story, where 2 Czech citizens were killed, as something funny as well.

You know, by all standards, if your special services commit a terrorist act in radom country that is not in the state of war with you, it's called a state-sponsored terrorism.

Regarding the German reparations, I can say that some people said something. They made a suggestion and calculated the reparations. However, the Polish government has never made any official demand or attempted to vote any reparation bill in the parliament. That's the official procedure when you "demand" something.
 
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Regarding Trump, you are using the famous Russian/Soviet tactics of whataboutism or/and trying to be funny.
The KEY difference is, the corrupt Austrian politicians DID admit their wrongdoing, so everything was proven and the Austrian government collapsed for a reason. Can't you see the difference between this case and Trump?

I can safely assume that you will take this story, where 2 Czech citizens were killed, as something funny as well.

You know, by all standards, if your special services commit a terrorist act in radom country that is not in the state of war with you, it's called a state-sponsored terrorism.

Regarding the German reparations, I can say that some people said something. They made a suggestion and calculated the reparations. However, the Polish government has never made and official demand or attempted to vote any reparation bill in the parliament. That's the official procedure when you "demand" something.

Interesting fantasies but the dog's is a better argument ;)
Russians did it.webp
 
Interesting fantasies but the dog's is a better argument ;)
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It's your favourite tactics, probably learnt from monsieur Putain:
No arguments -》trying to turn something into a joke.
When you expel a big number of diplomats, despite having a very pro-Russian president, it's actually not a joke. Neither is the situation when the government in a very transparent country, where the corruption level is very low, collapses.
 
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It's your favourite tactics, probably learnt from monsieur Putain:
No arguments -》trying to turn something into a joke.
When you expel a big number of diplomats, despite having a very pro-Russian president, it's actually not a joke. Neither is the situation when the government in a very transparent country, where the corruption level is very low, collapses.
So your fantasies left unproved, only dudas da duda :)
 
It's widely-known than both the Austrian nationalists (FPÖ) and the German party with the dick-shaped logo are on monsieur Putain's payroll.
The Austrian government collapsed for a reason in 2019.

Lenin referred to such people as "useful idiots".
I take it we ought to vote for one of the other parties then, let's see...

SPD: initiated the quasi strategic alliance between Russia and Germany under Schröder and remains a staunch proponent of the deepened economic ties.

CDU: continued the economic entanglement and is responsible for killing Germany's energy production rendering us even more dependent on Russia's gas and France's nuclear energy.

Greens: talk a fair game, actually just as culpable for Schröder's policies since they were his junior partners and facilitators. Don't get me started on their energy policy proposals, which will only serve Russia's interests more than is already the case.

FDP: Same as above, just playing that role for the CDU, perhaps marginally better energy policy.

Die Linke (left): Would love nothing more than the Red Army retaking Berlin.

Nah fam, I'll stick to the party of toxic masculinity.
 
A quick overview of the upcoming elections against the backdrop of security and foreign policy, taken from a couple of news articles over the past few days:
  • Military spending: SPD has given a lukewarm commitment to increasing military spending; CDU/CSU – which seem unlikely to win a seat at the table – want to increase military spending considerably. So, whether or not the Bundeswehr receives better funding will largely depend on SPD's coalition partners. If their government involves the Greens and the Left, military spending will be freezed or shrunk. If it involves the Greens and FDP, the budget will probably stagnate.
  • Military procurement: Either way, military procurement will be even more politicised, with whatever funds are made available poised to go to projects the new administration's pacificst voter base will feel less strongly about, e.g. ships and transport helicopters. Armed drones are off the table for the SPD. Ironically, even the decisively pacifist Greens are more open about that subject. In short, even though the military can't look forward to either potential form of government, a CDU/CSU-led administration would be better for the army, whereas a SPD-led one would benefit the other branches better.
  • Two Keys Treaty: All German political parties except CDU/CSU want to end the Two Keys Treaty with the USA and have American-owned nuclear weapons removed from Germany. They also mean to join the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. Both would leave Germany without a say on NATO's nuclear strategy and decision-making. In that case, Germany would be extremely unlikely to buy American-made fighter bombers as delivery vehicles for nuclear bombs. The Tornadoes would be retired without replacement, or with a gradual replacement by Typhoons in a fighter-bomber configuration.
  • Russia: All major political parties except on the fringes (AfD and the Left) perceive Russia as a factor of instability. CDU/CSU and the Greens are more inclined to walk the talk than the others. A SPD-led government, especially if comprising the Left, would be more friendly towards Russia than the current administration or one led by CDU/CSU.
  • China: All major political parties perceive China as a major factor of instability. Ironically, only the Greens seem willing to really stand up to China, though. CDU/CSU and FDP worry about German trade, whereas SPD and the Left are allergic to any sort of proactive or aggressive foreign policy.
  • EU: All major political parties except AfD wish to continue to deepen the European integration process. The major difference between both camps is that CDU/CSU and FDP stand more for fiscal austerity and reforms, whereas SPD and the Greens want a communitisation of European debt. If other European countries needed not to ask for permission to dip in Germany's coffers, Berlin's position would be weakened. Either way, with Angela Merkel and her network of relationships with other European leaders gone, France will emerge as the preeminent power in the EU.
 

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