Politics Climate Hysteria Debunked Yet Again ....

Interesting things are going on between solar energy and hydrogen.

hydrogen is probably the fuel of the future: in cars, planes, and perhaps more...

Solar energy is intermittent, takes space, but electricty production costs are very low.

Chile, Qatar and Tunisia are developping ambitious plans to put solar panels to the exclusive use of making hydrogen on the cheap and exporting it to the world. A very disruptive approach that can pay off. A solar car or plane is not for tomorrow but hydrogen powered vehicles are.

Chile seems really going forward with this. To be honest, I would prefer sending money to them than to Qatar.


 

Funny how a year ago, the loss of the barrier reef was heralded on every news site for a couple of weeks as an effect of global warming

Seem to be a bit quiet on this report - coral reef at highest coral cover in 36 years

Must be all the Polar bears surfing in Australia or something equally plausible :rolleyes:
 
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were not people within the last 6 months posting about the terrible flooding in China? all the destruction downstream from having to open the gates and flood areas downstream? posting this news over the last few years?
its not climate change or global warming it seems...
sounds more like mismanagement or something...
 
were not people within the last 6 months posting about the terrible flooding in China? all the destruction downstream from having to open the gates and flood areas downstream? posting this news over the last few years?
its not climate change or global warming it seems...
sounds more like mismanagement or something...

They posted similar things about the Loire river a few weeks ago.

"Oh look! It's dry! See? Climate change! And such."

Except the picture that were shown were from 2015 and of one of the small minor arms of the river. Basically the Loire river is poked with little islets, with the Loire going on one side of the islet and on the other you end up with a smaller narrower stream with its own name.

Anyway, long story short: old picture, not the Loire and the pictured arm dries up every summer since ages.
 
They posted similar things about the Loire river a few weeks ago.

"Oh look! It's dry! See? Climate change! And such."

Except the picture that were shown were from 2015 and of one of the small minor arms of the river. Basically the Loire river is poked with little islets, with the Loire going on one side of the islet and on the other you end up with a smaller narrower stream with its own name.

Anyway, long story short: old picture, not the Loire and the pictured arm dries up every summer since ages.
The following pictures, however, are from this year's summer showing the main arm of the Rhine. That's not normal by any means and it has become a trend in the past years. So yes, "climate change and such" does happen - be it man-made or natural.

 
A small increase in temp causes that? So they say its increased .30 deg C since the 90's... before they called every flood and drought global warming.
 
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A small increase in temp causes that? So they say its increased .30 deg C since the 90's... before they called every flood and drought global warming.
Yes. The global climate engine is a system in a very fragile state of balance. And 0.3 degC on a global average scale does contain enough energy to cause the climate system that we know to burp and fart, if you will. 0.3 may seem tiny on your local thermometer, but when you consider the global average increase across the globe that made your average temperature rise a wee bit, we're talking about massive amounts of heat that have been pumped into the system.
 
A small increase in temp causes that? So they say its increased .30 deg C since the 90's... before they called every flood and drought global warming.
The change over the past 50 years is so negligible that if you didn't have climate 'scientists' to measure it, no one would have noticed
 
Yes. The global climate engine is a system in a very fragile state of balance. And 0.3 degC on a global average scale does contain enough energy to cause the climate system that we know to burp and fart, if you will. 0.3 may seem tiny on your local thermometer, but when you consider the global average increase across the globe that made your average temperature rise a wee bit, we're talking about massive amounts of heat that have been pumped into the system.
explain how a .3 degree change would necessarily lead to drought conditions.... why not increased rainfall? plenty of places much warmer than Europe with a much greater rainfall... increased warmth does not equal decreased rainfall. there is no correlation.
also, where is the water going that should in a "normal" year fall on the European continent? are there areas in the world currently experiencing more than average rain? that water has to go somewhere, this is a closed system, so if its not falling in one place it has to be somewhere else. the atmosphere can only hold so much moisture, and regardless, evaporative and condenser processes are still functioning, and always will...
 
there are certainly places in the world that are crying "drought" but the local flora and fauna are getting exactly what they need.... every place on earth has I guess what you could consider a "natural" capacity to sustain human life.... any population increase above that level will lead to death unless there are artificial systems put into place. even that is temporary and mother nature can and will disrupt those artificial systems.
the desert mountain pools still have enough water to sustain the deer and cougars and coyotes and their prey, and only dry up just before the monsoons come.... it may not work for people, but it works for nature...
since we have divorced ourselves from nature, we will pay a price. our arrogance assumes that the current global climate must forever and in perpetuity be the only climate we ever have.... nothing could be more "unnatural"....
 
explain how a .3 degree change would necessarily lead to drought conditions.... why not increased rainfall? plenty of places much warmer than Europe with a much greater rainfall... increased warmth does not equal decreased rainfall. there is no correlation.
also, where is the water going that should in a "normal" year fall on the European continent? are there areas in the world currently experiencing more than average rain? that water has to go somewhere, this is a closed system, so if its not falling in one place it has to be somewhere else. the atmosphere can only hold so much moisture, and regardless, evaporative and condenser processes are still functioning, and always will...
The thing is that the yearly average of rainfall has been squeezed into more and more extreme "showers" of sorts than the previous, more homogenous rainfall that used to appear throughout the seasons. So, why did the temperature increase not lead to increased rainfall in Europe? Most likely because the response of the climate system to any short-term changes (on a geological scale) is somewhat chaotic. You might claim that the missing water of Europe is now flooding Pakistan, but that would be quite farfetched. "Increased warmth does not equal decreased rainfall": The decreased rainfall is the result of an unusually stable high-pressure system across Europe which in turn can be explained by high temperatures. High temperatures lead to an increased evaporation but in order to condense and "rain off", the vapor needs cool air. The latter, however, is blocked by the stable high pressure and consequently the polar jetstream that usually pumps cold air from the subarctic regions to central Europe is also weakened. This is called an omega block pattern in meteorology, and it has become ever more frequent in the past.
 
there are certainly places in the world that are crying "drought" but the local flora and fauna are getting exactly what they need.... every place on earth has I guess what you could consider a "natural" capacity to sustain human life.... any population increase above that level will lead to death unless there are artificial systems put into place. even that is temporary and mother nature can and will disrupt those artificial systems.
the desert mountain pools still have enough water to sustain the deer and cougars and coyotes and their prey, and only dry up just before the monsoons come.... it may not work for people, but it works for nature...
since we have divorced ourselves from nature, we will pay a price. our arrogance assumes that the current global climate must forever and in perpetuity be the only climate we ever have.... nothing could be more "unnatural"....
That might still work in some places, but here in Europe it is not normal that the trees start shedding their leaves in August. You are on spot though that this is ultimately a problem of human overpopulation.
 
That might still work in some places, but here in Europe it is not normal that the trees start shedding their leaves in August. You are on spot though that this is ultimately a problem of human overpopulation.
good thing we have people like Klaus Schwab with solutions to our population 'problem'!
 
One year they proclaim its all the water evaporated into clouds that's causing the floods. Next year its all the heat and cloudless sky causing the drought.
They are never wrong.
 
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