Politics Climate Hysteria Debunked Yet Again ....

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@colin traveller
Carry on parroting stupid claims that were debunked for years

In my previous post :
But as John Cook points out over at Skeptical Science, global cooling was much more an invention of the media than it was a real scientific concern. .
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Repeating something doesn't make it more true.
Ask the antivaxx about it
 
Lolol ........ Just merely posting a documentry of days gone by and your offended
 
Ivan le Fou said:
That's because you have posted a bigoted documentary.

Come on man, less bigotry more facts!
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The Greta Thunbergs of the world have been wrong about climate change for 50 years and yet they somehow are angry that we don't trust what they are saying about the world ending in.....you guessed it.......10 years.
 
riderboy said:
The Greta Thunbergs of the world have been wrong about climate change for 50 years and yet they somehow are angry that we don't trust what they are saying about the world ending in.....you guessed it.......10 years.
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10?

I thought it was 12?
 
Ivan le Fou said:
That's because you have posted a bigoted documentary.

Come on man, less bigotry more facts!
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The Ice Age claim was an opinion championed by a minority – much like in medicine the claim that mobile phones cause cancer, or in archaeology the claim the Sphynx is tens of thousands of years old. You're shifting the goal posts if you pretend the whole scientific community had claimed an ice age was about to come only to backpedal and settle for global warming. Mordoror is right to criticise this.
riderboy said:
The Greta Thunbergs of the world have been wrong about climate change for 50 years and yet they somehow are angry that we don't trust what they are saying about the world ending in.....you guessed it.......10 years.
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See, one could very well accept the facticity of climate change and yet believe that nothing needs to be done or that nothing can be done. One could very well argue that the money that little fucktard wants to spend on turning our economies upside down should be spent on building dikes in Bangladesh. Strangely enough, neither side wants to see any of these nuances.
 
Meanwhile a new study found that, in hindsight, 10 out of 17 climate models released from 1970 to 2007 were accurate when predicting a trend of global warming. This was calculated by comparing the old forecasts with actual measurements.

News
Original study abstract

Also, since that type of confusion has occured in this thread, too, I'd like to quote the news article just explain the difference between "climate" and "weather":

For instance, climate scientists and meteorologists often hear criticism like: "you can't even forecast tomorrow's weather, how can you forecast 30 years from now?" While most meteorologists would take issue with the premise, these are not apple to apple comparisons.

Forecasting how much snow will fall at your house tomorrow is a very specific item which requires incredible precision. However, projecting trends as climate models do, such as it will be approximately 2 degrees warmer on Earth by 2050 or will hurricanes be more intense in the future, is fairly simple, straight-forward physics.
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muck said:
The Ice Age claim was an opinion championed by a minority – much like in medicine the claim that mobile phones cause cancer, or in archaeology the claim the Sphynx is tens of thousands of years old. You're shifting the goal posts if you pretend the whole scientific community had claimed an ice age was about to come only to backpedal and settle for global warming.
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I doubt the scientific community as a whole backpedaled. The scientific community has always been divided, and still is today, on a vast number of issues including climate.
If there is one thing archeology, the study of ground layers, etc... taught us is that there are cycles, and they repeat themselves. It has happened, it may repeat itself. In fact it will probably repeat itself. But these are predictions, these are temporal hypothesis depending on not always reliable variables.

So, back to the "scientific community", some may have very well switched from "ice age" to "global warming" and the reasons may be very numerous as well.
The "scientific community" is not a monolithic entity where everybody thinks alike, this is not a hive, all the members of the said community are not necessarily truthful and honest. Some will follow their own personal and/or ideological interests.
In fact, and that's one thing we got told yearly in doctoral school, a significant number of researchers/scientists/PhDs/etc... have falsified their research, one way or another, to push a narrative. It is something that is done.

Be skeptical.
 
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That 70's Ice age was coming was actually getting colder. It was based on actually getting colder. I remember frosts starting when it was 10 pm. Hours earlier than usual. The local glaciers were visibly longer . No need for time lapse.
 
@Ivan le Fou

The point was, it is incorrect and intellectually dishonest to suggest that climatology as a whole used to predict an ice age only to perform a complete and utter volte-face to the current consensus. And many a meme and some comments in this thread have done just that.

Predictions the earth was getting warmer have always dominated the field and they've been proven true. The climate is changing and it is getting warmer, that is a fact. And there's some evidence that humanity has, at the very least, somewhat accelerated natural processes.

There's no evidence that humanity can do anything to stop or reverse the process, though. That is a fallacy on the ecologists' part.

@primer

And I believe to remember a "white christmas" was the norm when I was young, but a review of the weather data base for my previous locations of residence reveals I've experienced merely three white christmases in over thirty years. Memory can be deceiving.
 
muck said:
@Ivan le Fou

The point was, it is incorrect and intellectually dishonest to suggest that climatology as a whole used to predict an ice age only to perform a complete and utter volte-face to the current consensus. And many a meme and some comments in this thread have done just that.

Predictions the earth was getting warmer have always dominated the field and they've been proven true. The climate is changing and it is getting warmer, that is a fact. And there's some evidence that humanity has, at the very least, somewhat accelerated natural processes.

There's no evidence that humanity can do anything to stop or reverse the process, though. That is a fallacy on the ecologists' part.
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Well yes it is dishonest. Because there is no such thing as "climatology as a whole". Just like there isn't *anything* as a whole.
There will always be different schools of thoughts and different approaches.
As I said, the scientific/academic/etc... behemoth is not a monolhitic entity and "consensuses" tend to be fairly empirical and arbitrary things.


On another subject:

www.independent.co.uk

Jeremy Clarkson launches scathing attacks on Greta Thunberg, Corbyn, woke culture and snowflakes

Clarkson has a rebuke for everyone and everything at a roundtable interview promoting the new series of his car show, Ellie Harrison reports
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No, we’ve been aware of climate change for quite some time, and there’s that weird Swede running around making all sorts of ‘we’re going to die’ noises, so we’re all aware of it. But rather than having her jumping up and down and waving her arms in the air, you can actually go there and say, ‘Bloody hell, fire! Look at what this climate change has done to this place.’
We simply said, ‘Here’s an example of it.’ What do you want me to do now? Get on my carbon fibre yacht and go and shout at Donald Trump?
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The glacier growth supports it. From 65 to early 70's they were increasing. I would believe that results back then were less influenced than now with regard to empirical debate but distance from A to B is irrefutable.
 
muck said:
@Ivan le Fou

The point was, it is incorrect and intellectually dishonest to suggest that climatology as a whole used to predict an ice age only to perform a complete and utter volte-face to the current consensus. And many a meme and some comments in this thread have done just that.

Predictions the earth was getting warmer have always dominated the field and they've been proven true. The climate is changing and it is getting warmer, that is a fact. And there's some evidence that humanity has, at the very least, somewhat accelerated natural processes.

There's no evidence that humanity can do anything to stop or reverse the process, though. That is a fallacy on the ecologists' part.

@primer

And I believe to remember a "white christmas" was the norm when I was young, but a review of the weather data base for my previous locations of residence reveals I've experienced merely three white christmases in over thirty years. Memory can be deceiving.
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There are evidence we could have avoided a part of the issue (see the reports of both industry and science of the 60s-70s-80s)
Greenhouse effects was known and acknowledged back then.
It is all theoricall because it would have needed a global agreement and another economy than a fossil fuel based one focusing of over lasting growth si hyper consumption.
Now it is probably too late, the inertia of the system says that we will have high temp climate.
2010-2019 is the warmest decade since the beginning of temp registering.

Maybe we cant stop the thing, maybe however a way to mitigate the temp increases and their effects is not so dumb.
I a not personaly thrilled at the idea to experience too often the last summer situation
 
The Republic of Ireland under the current government is going to close 3 small turf(peat) burning electric generating stations to help fight climate change :rolleyes:, to replace the loss of electric supply, they propose to import power from France (once a cable or two gets laid across the Irish Sea.)
 
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