Politics Climate Hysteria Debunked Yet Again ....

I’m not a scientist at all. More a literature kind of guy (and even that is a bit of a stretch) however...

Early this year, winter was cold and rainy, sometimes snowy.

Spring has been pretty warm and generally sunny.

Most of the summer has been very sunny and sometimes unbearably hot.

This fall is cool and rainy.

That’s my schlub observations and weather report for the year. We still got four distinct seasons and it’s been that way for some years now.
 
Brought to us by the same crowd who declared with such clarity and utter certainty that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread, Trump is a Russian agent, and economic socialism is the way of the future. Among many other lies. And they wonder why we don't believe Greta Thunberg and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez....

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UN report. What came out of it was a hit list of the worst countries..namely Aussie, S.Korea, Canada, US and some other reprobate that I honestly can't remember.

China and India..totally fine CO2 producers.
 
1966 report from the coal industry



This is an August 1965 article titled “Air Pollution and the Coal Industry” in the Mining Congress Journal, by James Garvey, then President of Bitumous Coal Research Inc. Garvey’s company developed pollution control equipment. He outlines the growing push to regulate pollution from coal fired power plants.
The abstract reads:
“Growing demands for cleaner air have serious implications for the coal industry since more than half of the coal used today goes for generation of electricity and the coal-burning electric utilities are most likely to be affected by any air pollution restrictions. Garvey reviews the pollution in coal and discusses ordinances that have been passed to restrict use of fuels containing in excess of one percent sulfur.”
In the midst of an article focusing mainly on sulfur and particulates, Garvey diverges under the subheading, “Emission of CO2 Under Serious Study” and writes:
“Among the gaseous materials discharged from the stack is carbon dioxide. This is not generally considered to be a pollutant inasmuch as it has never been demonstrated to have any adverse effects on plants or animals. However, to illustrate the far-reaching aspects of the air pollution problem, it should be noted that serious studies are underway to determine whether more restrictions should be placed on the emission of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. There is evidence that the amount of carbon dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere is increasing rapidly as a result of the combustion of fossil fuels. If the future rate of increase continues as it is at the present, it has been predicted that, because the CO2 envelope reduces radiation, the temperature of the earth’s atmosphere will increase and that vast changes in the climates of the earth will result. Such changes in temperature will cause melting of the polar icecaps, which, in turn, would result in the inundation of many coastal cities, including New York and London.”


Following Garvey’s article is a “Discussion” by James R. Jones, Combustion Engineer for Peabody Coal Co. Jones’ response is a bit urgent and defensive in tone “The coal industry is not alone in receiving the brunt of restrictive limitations. Process emissions of all kinds are under scrutiny – odors, gases, vapors, particulates, etc.”
He concludes in a somewhat conciliatory tone, writing under the subheading, “Situation is Urgent”, “There is a matter of urgency being placed on this subject of air pollution control. We are in favor of cleaning up our air. Everyone can point to examples in his own comment where something should be done. Our aim, however, is to have control that does not precede the technical knowledge for compliance. We are, in effect, “buying time”. Removal of sulfur from coal and SO2 from flue gases are just two of these.”



But of course, it is a scam according the same sources (coal and oil industry) today ........................
 
I’m not a scientist at all. More a literature kind of guy (and even that is a bit of a stretch) however...

Early this year, winter was cold and rainy, sometimes snowy.

Spring has been pretty warm and generally sunny.

Most of the summer has been very sunny and sometimes unbearably hot.

This fall is cool and rainy.

That’s my schlub observations and weather report for the year. We still got four distinct seasons and it’s been that way for some years now.
Exactly - unless someone changes the earth's rotation we will still get summer and winter - its freezing here tonight - yesterday it did not get above 1 degree all day - I could do with it being a bit warmer
 
Exactly - unless someone changes the earth's rotation we will still get summer and winter - its freezing here tonight - yesterday it did not get above 1 degree all day - I could do with it being a bit warmer

In all seriousness I don't deny we humans have an impact on climate change to some extent, but to what extent precisely? Very few can tell. People can come up with stats, graphs, numbers and all that stuff. As mordoror would say, maybe it's "unfair" to "shoot the messenger" (Greta) but I cannot take her seriously either. Scientists could be trusted, if their predictions from 50 years ago at least would have turned true.

Climate, weather and science are very unpredictable things so their predictions for a hundred year from now I'll take them with a pinch of salt.
 
In all seriousness I don't deny we humans have an impact on climate change to some extent, but to what extent precisely? Very few can tell. People can come up with stats, graphs, numbers and all that stuff. As mordoror would say, maybe it's "unfair" to "shoot the messenger" (Greta) but I cannot take her seriously either. Scientists could be trusted, if their predictions from 50 years ago at least would have turned true.

Climate, weather and science are very unpredictable things so their predictions for a hundred year from now I'll take them with a pinch of salt.
Thing is, if they are correct, nobody would be here to say, we told you so, because it will be a disaster at planetary level.
Furthermore, the fails of prediction the nay sayer like to point are often easy journos short cuts, not science reports (like the supposedly 1970 ice age
https://time.com/5670942/time-magazine-ice-age-cover-hoax/ )
But as John Cook points out over at Skeptical Science, global cooling was much more an invention of the media than it was a real scientific concern. .
Science reports are emitted with plausible scenarios. The IPCC always emit a 3 layer possibility report (low impact, medium impact, high impact).
Some elements in the IPCC projections are already reached and outdated.
In fact some of these projections were already emitted both by scientific community and industry community (see the Exxon report in 80s https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings, the Coal industry report i posted above from 70s) back in the 70s and 80s are happening right now.

But the politicians and industrial lobbies work well. Much like the tobacco industry. It took 20-30y to have them acknowledge that cigarettes were harmful. Issue is that tobacco impact is individual, climate impact is global.
 
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As we are in an emergency according to EU, I wonder if they will urge Germany to put their nuclear powerplants back on grid, that would have immediate effect on CO2 emissions of Germany.

Since we are in a emergency and therefore can't wait for perfect solution.

EDIT: Or did they already do that`?
 

That action must be powerful and wide-ranging. After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.


One huge drawback of nuclear power is that it doesn’t dismantle systems of oppression - it only produces clean energy. This makes it unsuitable for solving the climate crisis, which isn’t just about the environment.
 
^ Holy crap. If they are not aiming towards some kind of collectivism, I don't know who is.
 




One huge drawback of nuclear power is that it doesn’t dismantle systems of oppression - it only produces clean energy. This makes it unsuitable for solving the climate crisis, which isn’t just about the environment.
The fact that climate change alarmists oppose clean nuclear power is just stupid. Wind and solar only go so far...
 
Wind and solar only go so far...

With wind and solar power; their biggest problem is the need for larger reserve (to store power and/or need) for other powerplants to even out irregularity created by these power sources. This increases the cost but is not usually mentioned, even in studies, when comparing costs of different power sources. (I read one such paper just last week, news article related to that paper trumpeted that "for a first time wind is cheaper than nuclear" and on the beginning pages it read "need for reserve energy not taken into account") When making comparisons it should be done by comparing life cycle costs in whole energy system.
 
Their plan is to artificially make all alternatives more expensive by stopping production and exploration. The same kind don't like nuclear either.

OPEC must think its great to stop exploration/production in other counties.
They have practically closed down oil and gas here. That kind of thing spreads like a social disease among the left politicians. Proof is Obama was dead against the Keystone pipe line.

Someday it will these people not OPEC that will create the next energy crisis, frankly that is their plan.
 
Oh well, they can still take Germany as an example.

Close their nuclear power plants and go full coal and wind turbines.
 
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