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I cruised two Russian articles about this war this morning. Essentially they said there's a lot of disinformation and outright lies by both parties. Color me not surprised. My main take away was a paragraph saying "20,000 Armenians living in Russia are ready to join the fight." So are they packing their kit? No - they're "waiting to see further developments".

Again - make of that what you will. I did lift a couple pics I don't see here yet.

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Remains of a drone. They don't seem to be lasting long for either side.
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NebrHogger said:
I cruised two Russian articles about this war this morning. Essentially they said there's a lot of disinformation and outright lies by both parties. Color me not surprised. My main take away was a paragraph saying "20,000 Armenians living in Russia are ready to join the fight." So are they packing their kit? No - they're "waiting to see further developments".

Again - make of that what you will. I did lift a couple pics I don't see here yet.

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Remains of a drone. They don't seem to be lasting long for either side.
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Both diasporas are very strong and influential in Russia. As I have mentioned, ethnic Armenians hold very powerful positions in Russian media and entertainment sector while Azeris have the financial and real estate sectors on their side.

Also, from what I'm reading in Russian media the message is not to get involved directly (basically trying to mirror Turkish actions) UNLESS Armenia formally requests to join Russian Federation.
 
So what options do people see?

1- Azerbaijan victory, regain lost ground
2- Armenians wear down Azerbaijans, no real change on ground
3- just fizzles along, with drones, arty strikes etc. for a few months, no change on ground.
4- Russia, Turkey and uncle tom cobbly join in and it goes crazy.

Any other options?
 
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BBC hardtalk TV program 14 August 2020.
 
Fluff said:
So what options do people see?

1- Azerbaijan victory, regain lost ground
2- Armenians wear down Azerbaijans, no real change on ground
3- just fizzles along, with drones, arty strikes etc. for a few months, no change on ground.
4- Russia, Turkey and uncle tom cobbly join in and it goes crazy.

Any other options?
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I would go with #2 maybe #3. No way for #4, and, at this point very low probability for #1. It would be a victory for Azeris just to recover the territory that it lots in the early 1990s without even going into Nagorny Karabakh proper.
 
no.2 I wouldn't be surprised if Armenians could even win some ground but at the end they would have to retreat for achieving status quo ceasefire agreement.
First 3 day imho were crucial for Azeris to win.
 
Marat said:
no.2 I wouldn't be surprised if Armenians could even win some ground but at the end they would have to retreat for achieving status quo ceasefire agreement.
First 3 day imho were crucial for Azeris to win.
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Yes, if you are given a clean start, there should have been massed tanks, drones, arty on known positions, instead looks more like a training deployment across the area. Daylight attacks, they seem surprised/unresponsive to attacks. Also the quality of armenian filming is pretty high, suggest they arent being shot at too much?
 
Fluff said:
So what options do people see?

1- Azerbaijan victory, regain lost ground
2- Armenians wear down Azerbaijans, no real change on ground
3- just fizzles along, with drones, arty strikes etc. for a few months, no change on ground.
4- Russia, Turkey and uncle tom cobbly join in and it goes crazy.

Any other options?
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The previous conflicts say something different.
In 2016, the Azeris captured 800 hectares (an Armenian claim) or 2000 hectares (an Azerbaijani claim) on Nagorno-Karabakh and have kept it until now.
It looks like there is a pattern: the Azeris start a conflict, capture a little chunk of N-K, suffering big losses, and keep it. Then they recover, rebuild their army, buy some new equipment and start the same procedure every 3-5 years.

The Azerbaijani Army has got 70,000 soldiers, while the Armenian Army has 45,000, supported by 20,000 N-K ones.
Armenian positions are on hills and have very wide and clear sectors of fire, while the Azeris have to deploy their troops in valleys.
 
Musashi said:
The previous conflicts say something different.
In 2016, the Azeris captured 800 hectares (an Armenian claim) or 2000 hectares (an Azerbaijani claim) on Nagorno-Karabakh and have kept it until now.
It looks like there is a pattern: the Azeris start a conflict, capture a little chunk of N-K, suffering big losses, and keep it. Then they recover, rebuild their army, buy some new equipment and start the same procedure every 3-5 years.

The Azerbaijani Army has got 70,000 soldiers, while the Armenian Army has 45,000, supported by 20,000 N-K ones.
Armenian positions are on hills and have very wide and clear sectors of fire, while the Azeris have to deploy their troops in valleys.
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Azeri technological advantage should have negated Armenian topographical one, but this is not happening. It looks like Azeris are fighting like they are on a clock. Understandable, since bigger players will force a ceasefire onto them, but it seems to me fighting a war of attrition is much better suited to their real world capabilities.
 
Fluff said:
So what options do people see?

1- Azerbaijan victory, regain lost ground
2- Armenians wear down Azerbaijans, no real change on ground
3- just fizzles along, with drones, arty strikes etc. for a few months, no change on ground.
4- Russia, Turkey and uncle tom cobbly join in and it goes crazy.

Any other options?
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5- they run out of weapons and can't continue the war
 
Sky Striker or Harop?
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IAI Harop

Chazman said:
Turkey fighting Armenians brings up some bad feeling with various parts of the world. It'd be like Germany trying to kill Jews, today.
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Armenian side is trying to pin Turkey to involve of it's military assets alongside with Azebaijani forces in actual combat against them to get the sympathy of the international arena but that's far from being true. Just like their other claims like "Turkish backed jihadists" and "Turkish F-16s over Armenian airspace" just to misguide the reality of the situation which is a territorial dispute between two states after the collapse of USSR and going on for 30 years.

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As I mentioned on another thread before, the situation of Southern Azerbaijani population who are living in the borders of Northern Iran has been a major problem between the relations of Iran and Azerbaijan which explains Iran's indirect support to Armenia and also Israel's strong relation with Azerbaijan. According to some sources Southern Azerbaijanis of the Iran started to stop and burn the supply trucks going to Armenia from northern Iran. You can search and find few videos of the burned trucks shared from different sources regarding the issue. Iranian authorities stated that they arrested 50 Azeri ethnic citizens who are suspected to involve these kind of activities in past three days.

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If the claims are true the current conflict is becoming to extenting itself beyond two main states to other main regional actors. We will see how it ends.
 
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