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[PEMM]

Sure they can spy on extremists of the party but any kind of banning must be out of the question.

The thing is that usually these kind of actions that can be seen as witch hunts end up increasing the popularity. People don't like to be told who to vote for.

 

[madmax17]

So they are both Nazis AND Communists. Are they anything else?

They're not commies, but.. only East Germany voted for them, proly because they hate/are tired of immigrants. Not that silly Afd would start mass deporting if they ever get power, it's just populism talk.

East Germany was occupied by Russia and some still sympathize with them, communism is bad for your brain.

 

[Chazman]

The EU and certain European countries are hell bent on cultural and demographic suicide. It makes no sense, but I guess suicide doesn't.

Some people are alarmed by the slow motion train wreck they are witnessing and want their voices heard. But when these people become too numerous, the Elitist and Administrative State must call them Nazis/Communists/Extremists/Threats to "Democracy" and stop them.

The problem is, these voters will continue to exist, (unless they are somehow removed or cleansed or whatever), and they will vote for someone again, maybe even someone you like even less.

Looks like East Germany won, after all.

 

[muck]

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"They"? Save for a bunch of leftist members of parliament, no one is talking about a ban right now.

Are you calling AfD Nazis? If so, just come out and say it and defend your ground. Are they "Nazis" because they oppose unlimited illegal immigration in Germany?

A quarter of the German electorate voted for them. Are those people now also categorized as "extremists" or Nazis? That's a lot of people for a modern Gestapo to run down.

@Chazman, if you think AfD is just MAGA in German colours, you're ill-informed.

Do you happen to know what was going on in East Germany during the 1990s, when skinheads were prowling those streets, killing 96 people? Then you should know the perps of yesteryear now form the backbone of AfD's East German chapters.

This isn't about what the leftist media call right-wing extremism.

This is about bullets getting mailed to mayors; fire bombings; Holocaust denial; the celebrating of Nazi war criminals; revanchist demands against Poland … and many more signs of an extremist agenda.

They're not all like that, to be sure. Their voters certainly aren't all like that.

But there's more than enough reason to assert: Yes, they are an extremist party. Last year, AfD even implicitly admitted as much by ordering their especially radical youth organisation to disband over its terrible reputation.

I'm not sure why you're so keen to reiterate AfD's opposition to mass migration is shared by many (myself included)? How might that invalidate the assertion they're extremist? This isn't about what they want, it's about how they intend to get there.

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If this is "tyranny", why did the US government insist in 1949 Germany should set up a "spy agency" to monitor extremists? Why did it demand Germany should amend its constitution and create a mechanism to ban political parties? Why did it applaud Germany's 1956 decision to ban the Communist Party and Socialist Reich Party, respectively?

Just to be clear, I oppose the banning of any political party. Such a mechanism should not exist, and using it against AfD would be bad for our democracy, the cons dramatically outweighing the pros.

It doesn't change the fact comments like Rubio's display a staggering level of ignorance, however.

No, the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV) is not a "spy agency". And no, this is not a "regime" decision.

BfV has a mandate to record developments which may pose a risk to the constitutional order. The agency comes up with an assessment independently and presents it to the government, which then (in conjunction with parliament) decides what to do.

We're a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential republic with a unitary head of government who may govern by decree and was recently declared to be immune from judicial review.

A political party can only be banned in Germany if parliament votes to request as much and the Constitutional Court agrees.

AfD is going to take Scholz's caretaker government to court, and they're probably going to win, as the sheer size of their electorate has created an unprecedented situation that needs judicial addressing.

 

[Chazman]

"They"? Save for a bunch of leftist members of parliament, no one is talking about a ban right now.

@Chazman, if you think AfD is just MAGA in German colours, you're ill-informed.

Do you happen to know what was going on in East Germany during the 1990s, when skinheads were prowling those streets, killing 96 people? Then you should know the perps of yesteryear now form the backbone of AfD's East German chapters.

This isn't about what the leftist media call right-wing extremism.

This is about bullets getting mailed to mayors; fire bombings; Holocaust denial; the celebrating of Nazi war criminals; revanchist demands against Poland … and many more signs of an extremist agenda.

They're not all like that, to be sure. Their voters certainly aren't all like that.

But there's more than enough reason to assert: Yes, they are an extremist party. Last year, AfD even implicitly admitted as much by ordering their especially radical youth organisation to disband over its terrible reputation.

I'm not sure why you're so keen to reiterate AfD's opposition to mass migration is shared by many (myself included)? How might that invalidate the assertion they're extremist? This isn't about what they want, it's about how they intend to get there.

If this is "tyranny", why did the US government insist in 1949 Germany should set up a "spy agency" to monitor extremists? Why did it demand Germany should amend its constitution and create a mechanism to ban political parties? Why did it applaud Germany's 1956 decision to ban the Communist Party and Socialist Reich Party, respectively?

Just to be clear, I oppose the banning of any political party. Such a mechanism should not exist, and using it against AfD would be bad for our democracy, the cons dramatically outweighing the pros.

It doesn't change the fact comments like Rubio's display a staggering level of ignorance, however.

No, the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV) is not a "spy agency". And no, this is not a "regime" decision.

BfV has a mandate to record developments which may pose a risk to the constitutional order. The agency comes up with an assessment independently and presents it to the government, which then (in conjunction with parliament) decides what to do.

We're a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential republic with a unitary head of government who may govern by decree and was recently declared to be immune from judicial review.

A political party can only be banned in Germany if parliament votes to request as much and the Constitutional Court agrees.

AfD is going to take Scholz's caretaker government to court, and they're probably going to win, as the sheer size of their electorate has created an unprecedented situation that needs judicial addressing.

Well....Trump has been called "Hitler...literally Hitler", for 10 years now. All of his supporters have been called Nazis for the same amount of time....because voting is a "threat to democracy". I personally had been called a Nazi by someone who I thought was a friend, because I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton. Sorry, but that term has lost it's meaning already. It is literally the last refuge of the scoundrel. On to the next word.

What if more voters find AfD appealing? What should be done? Arrest, prison, concentration camps? Obviously, a large segment of the German population wants to see some course correction in their country. They voted. They are the second most popular party in Germany. They call that Democracy.

 

[madmax17]

Musk zieg heiled twice, never apologized, so did Steve Bannon. A maga politician/rep was found with nazi stuff/signs in his place, he was fired eventually.

 

[madmax17]

It doesn't change the fact comments like Rubio's display a staggering level of ignorance, however.

Not a single American understands Europe, they talk in stereotypes.

Or they talk propaganda, or they talk from a right wing influencers point of view which is nothing but lies, internet is full of them now.

 

[Chazman]

Not a single American understands Europe, they talk in stereotypes.

Or they talk propaganda, or they talk from a right wing influencers point of view which is nothing but lies, internet is full of them now.

OMG! That is truly hilarious coming from you. Keep it coming!

 

[primer]

Founder of the new mozaic party, over in the tariff thread he/they alters to a Xi bot. Germans should pop him on a train to the station wherever Lenin disembarked from. Will either get the widow or replace Putin.
Germans have still got a lot to answer for.

 

[Chazman]

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[muck]

Well....Trump has been called "Hitler...literally Hitler", for 10 years now. All of his supporters have been called Nazis for the same amount of time....

Understood, I get that, believe you me.

But as Ben Shapiro likes to say, facts aren't mutually exclusive, several things can be true at the same time.

AfD's position on migration can be unfairly labelled as extremist, yet still they can be an extremist party. Their East German regional chapters are absolutely bordering on Neo-Nazism. You have to realise that their electorate isn't homogenous. There are the protest voters you're talking about, there are libertarians, disenchanted conservatives, and there are the East Germans forming by far the biggest share of their electorate.

And there's a strong Neo-Nazi movement in East Germany. Always has been, even before the Wall fell. East Germany saw race riots even under the old regime, when the only non-whites in that part of the country were a few thousand "socialist brothers and sisters" come from Vietnam and Cuba to learn whatever nonsense Socialist universities kept teaching then.

What if more voters find AfD appealing? What should be done?

If you truly care for my opinion: A minority government would've been the way to healing the country and reducing this polarisation. A conservative leader who gets his majorities in parliament wherever he can find them, including on the extreme right.

But AfD is never going to win an organic majority. That's not how politics in this country works.

If they ever win more than 30% of the vote, I'll eat my hat.

Arrest, prison, concentration camps?

Obviously, a large segment of the German population wants to see some course correction in their country. They voted. They are the second most popular party in Germany. They call that Democracy.

That segment is even bigger than AfD itself.

But we're a parliamentary democracy, and unlike you guys we vote for parties rather than candidates. And most likely you're going to vote for the party which in summary is the most to your liking. AfD does hold positions which repel some voters who'd agree with their migration policies, including myself.

For example, last year I often posted news about BSW, which was basically AfD but with leftist economics. They immediately stole a couple of points from them, indicating not every voter is onboard with AfD's economic vision. There are more points of contention: Their opposition to EU and NATO; their subservient attitude towards Russia and China; their embarassing obsession with revanchism and the white-washing Nazi crimes.

Founder of the new mozaic party, over in the tariff thread he/they alters to a Xi bot. Germans should pop him on a train to the station wherever Lenin disembarked from. Will either get the widow or replace Putin.
Germans have still got a lot to answer for.

?

 

[muck]

The new administration will be sworn in on May 6.

Friedrich Merz has failed to secure a majority in the first ballot. Ten of his own MPs voted against him; different theories are afoot, with most sources pointing towards a revenge plot by Social Democrat Co-Chair Saskia Esken who'd recently lost a power struggle against her colleague Lars Klingbeil (unlike her, he's slated to become a minister). As per constitutional rules, a new ballot is underway right now. If that fails, too, they have 14 days to secure a majority.

This has never happened before and is widely seen as a huge embarrassment for Merz.

 

[muck]

Merz has just been elected Chancellor.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

How come?

They found missing votes? They broadened the coalition?

 

[muck]

How come?

They found missing votes? They broadened the coalition?

Second ballot. The German constitution doesn't specify how often a vote may take place, it only says the newly constituted Diet has 14 days to elect a Chancellor by way of absolute majority.

Interestingly enough, this time ten opposition MPs voted with the government benches.

 

[NebrHogger]

I should have been paying closer attention... where's Merz on immigration? Did that play into him being chancellor now?

 

[muck]

I should have been paying closer attention... where's Merz on immigration?

He's promised a reversal of the previous administration's liberal policies and some new restrictions.

Did that play into him being chancellor now?

Yes and no. It secured him the votes of the moderate right; the right-leaning part of the electorate voted AfD instead, believing that Merz can't or doesn't want to deliver.

If you meant if it played into him needing two attempts to be elected by parliament, that's difficult to tell. It was a secret ballot, no one knows who the dissenters of the first ballot were. Most reports I've read, all based on rumours, point the blame at Merz's centre-left coalition partner. Either it was some childish personal revenge plot by that party's co-leader, or some of their MPs wanted to give Merz a warning that he can't just ignore the left side of the government's benches.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Second ballot. The German constitution doesn't specify how often a vote may take place, it only says the newly constituted Diet has 14 days to elect a Chancellor by way of absolute majority.

Interestingly enough, this time ten opposition MPs voted with the government benches.

Probably not the most voiceful members of the opposition then.

Or perhaps was it part of the clauses dictating the coalition.

 

[tea-drinker]

Our pro-RuZZian alt-righters never miss a chance to show their views.
So, yes, any party financed by our enemies, especially when its supporters carried out a Russia-financed act of sabotage in their own country, should be banned. Some of their leaders should be accused of treason and spend the rest of their lives in prison.

Wait, but you said our enemies are not our enemies in fact and you have totally different concerns:

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Ppffft! Russia is the least of your problems, when you have diabolical fools as this.

Small boat migrant avoids jail after punching female police officers

A small boat migrant who repeatedly punched two female police officers has been spared jail.

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• haze99

I'm guessing you're OK with the Norsdtream bombing act of sabotage? Any leaders going to be accused of treason?
I'm further guessing the leaders in their end of year self reflection template didn't see themselves as treasonous and that's that.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

I'm guessing you're OK with the Norsdtream bombing act of sabotage? Any leaders going to be accused of treason?
I'm further guessing the leaders in their end of year self reflection template didn't see themselves as treasonous and that's that.

It was a necessary sacrifice done for the greater good.

We are shooting ourselves in both feet to spite the enemy, that will teach them.

Or something. Paralympic level of mental gymnastic and such...