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It's a dangerous precedent, and I feel saver in the knowledge that such restrictions would be against my country's constitution. With that reasoning ("it's potentially lethal"), you could regulate a great many other activities and behaviours which I'd consider protected by personal freedom – like what kind of food you're allowed to eat or which means of transportation you're allowed to use.

Which is, in fact, something the hard left has been demanding for years, I might add. Whilst they're at it, why don't they just pen a law that forces obese people to lose weight? Cardiovascular diseases kill even more people than lung cancer. This is not good. Not good at all! What say you Kiwis around here, is there a chance this law could be struck down by your supreme court?
 
Covid laws showed them what they can get away with.

Another example was entrenching Taxcindies three waters , deciding that water and air belong to Maori, take away local control and centralizing water utilities.
Unlike the gun control episode she got away with a few constitutional lawyers took note and blew the whistle.

She has the nerve to call Seymour liberal leader arrogant. It highlights her control mindset and fake persona.
 
Damned Covid…

Initially, and I know we’ve all had this debate in length here I definitely was a bit taken aback by shutting down every establishments serving or providing services to the population.

The restrictions too, but the medias had in circle the trucks full of dead elderly going to cemeteries or cremation back in early 2020 in Lombardia and I thought twice. « Maybe our govts are right about it all. »

It went too far, there’s been protest and riots in the Netherlands and Germany, France but considering they essentially locked up us for months on end because of an indeed dangerous virus and pandemic, your first line @primer is spot on.

Pushing, pushing the boundaries. Giving up on some of our civil liberties left until…?

Interesting times.
 
Hong Kong didn't entirely go down without a fight, but it did go down due to those that follow orders and get a weekly wage for it. Sad.
 
It's typical politcal bull S**t that will do nothing. They are celebrating a reduction in smoking from 9.4 % to 8 % while conveniently forgetting that vaping has gone from less than 1% to 8%.
All the harm they are talking about reducing will be made up by the vapers.
Hell, I'd take up smoking just to F*** with their smoke free target and bragging.
 
muck said:
It's a dangerous precedent, and I feel saver in the knowledge that such restrictions would be against my country's constitution. With that reasoning ("it's potentially lethal"), you could regulate a great many other activities and behaviours which I'd consider protected by personal freedom – like what kind of food you're allowed to eat or which means of transportation you're allowed to use.

Which is, in fact, something the hard left has been demanding for years, I might add. Whilst they're at it, why don't they just pen a law that forces obese people to lose weight? Cardiovascular diseases kill even more people than lung cancer. This is not good. Not good at all! What say you Kiwis around here, is there a chance this law could be struck down by your supreme court?
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you are very uninclusive and fatphobic. why do you hate diversity?
 
muck said:
....What say you Kiwis around here, is there a chance this law could be struck down by your supreme court?
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There is more chance of me armpit farting a Britney Spears cover to a Grammy award than the courts ruling this illegitimate.

NZ's courts don't really have a constitutional role. At best they could rule that the law doesn't comply with NZ's human rights legislation - which doesn't make the law illegitimate, it just requires the government of the day to issue a response like "tough, too bad" which was exactly what was done with the recent ruling on whether 16 year-old's should have the vote.

The NZ Constitution Act of 1990 has all sorts of rights promulgated within, all "subject to any laws that state otherwise". In other words you have rights until the law says you don't.
 
A horrid habit with zero benefits to anyone outside of the tobacco industry. Australia has pretty much taxed the habit into submission, with a 25% price hike, followed by annual 12.5% increases over the course of quite a few years, along with restricting the poor remaining few into pathetic little corners of public spaces to indulge their undesirable addiction. I think the economic strangulation of the indulgers is the way to go, especially for younger potential smokers, coupled with free quit programs.
 
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Lies like that should be enough to have her sacked. They fired Boris for a party.
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Boris created a law and then felt that it only applied to the little people like me rather than him and his friends, and then he broke it. And then he lied about breaking it.
 
Well in contrast Taxcindy got a harsh question or two.
 
Then I have no idea what your point is.
 
primer said:
Covid laws showed them what they can get away with.
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The difference between Covid and smoking is that it is up to me whether or not I smoke and expose myself to the associated risks; the risk of catching Covid is beyond my control, though. Such being the case, I did support even strict regulations during the first 6-9 months of the pandemic when people were dying like flies and doctors struggled to help them. I'd say Ardern was not wrong to take drastic steps in a time when countries like Italy or Brazil had to call in the military to dig mass graves because the sheer number of people dying overstrained crematoriums.

But the hair on the back of my neck stood up in alarm once the environmentalist types chimed in and demanded similar lockdowns for the sake of the climate (which also eroded support for policies designed to contain the pandemic). It only goes to show that the slippery slope argument is a very valid one. Any restricting of civil liberties ought to be a means of last resort for desperate times. As far as I can tell, this is no such time.
 
She like loves her nuclear moments of world class notoriety. Its hard to think of a more regulatory govt. Even the EU has been left in her dust.

Here's a non exhaustive summary of Cindy Potters parliamentary magic;
Banned oil/gas exploration, our one and only refinery closes. Lovely so we now import petrol diesel etc.
Increased fuel taxes
Banish all pests by some such date and many believe it is true.
Build thousand of houses. Only did 5% of what she said.
Homeless are given hotels. Hotel areas are slums.
Christchurch massacre by an Aussie, blames the AR and holds a world leader skype forum, wears a hajib ensemble. Justin is intensely jealous.
The gun ban of all semi auto centre fire rifles and a second tranche of onerous gun regulations and registration. Cost hundreds of millions and then decides to pass the costs back to the gun owners.
Limits fertilizers and farmers have to create a plan for a resource consent for winter time and farm improvements.
Carbon tax farmers. Only farmers on the planet hit by a carbon tax. Paris accord says food should not be reduced by govt action on "climate".
No problem with that..Turns a farm in cloudy NZ into a solar farm.
Three waters, water utilities taken from local govt by parliament into a co-governance apartheid scheme of New Zealander and Maori control whom also allude to owning the air and water.
And deems all of a certain age shalt not smoke.

Here's her own resume. So you know where her own real aspirations are, from the proverbial horses mouth.

15 times Jacinda Ardern has shown she’s a true leader.​

She spoke about the importance of democracy and kindness at Harvard​

She delivered a world-leading response to COVID-19​

She promoted unity and compassion after the March 15 mosque terror attacks​

She met with responders after the Whakaari/White Island eruption​

She made history at the United Nations General Assembly​

She introduced key policies to lift the wellbeing of children and families​

She introduced a new public holiday to celebrate Matariki​

She promised to support people through tough times​

She took action on climate change, and is leading the way towards a zero carbon future​

She showcased Kiwi businesses on the world stage​

She balances leading a country and looking after her child​

She launched New Zealand's first Wellbeing Budget​

She was the first Prime Minister to march in a Pride parade​

She fought to close the gender pay gap and put free period products in schools​

... and she kept her cool during an earthquake!​

 
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Gaz said:
Then I have no idea what your point is.
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For me personally as a sack-able offense loosing my local control over water utilities and consent to improve them ranks higher than fibs by a politician.
But that's multiplied by the hundred when Taxcindy also decides entrenching the ownership of the utilities and future parliament cannot redress this while discussing in caucus that that this act contravenes what little constitutional order we have here, but then lies she has knowledge of that little speed bump as she hoped it would slip quietly by and no one the wiser.

For me it makes usual Boris sideshow antics into a.. well you all knew who he was when you voted for that messy Eton schoolboy charm.
 
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