Warfare Northwestern Aleppo offensive (2024)

[Chazman]

An interesting dynamic is unfolding. Iran, which is an ally and weapons supplier to Russia in Ukraine, is now sending it's own forces and proxies into Syria to fight Russia and it's allies. Between the IRGC, Shiite Militias, Russia, Assad, and all the ISIS/Islamists, it's just a shame there will be only one loser.

 

[CemalPasha]

There are many historical perspectives. Which flag flies over Constantinople, Pontus and Smyrna?

The Megali Idea you mention i guess was Greece's grand nationalist vision to reclaim territories like Anatolia and Constantinople, aiming to revive the Byzantine Empire. This dream led to violent campaigns during the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922), where Greek forces committed atrocities against Anatolian civilians, including massacres and destruction.

However, the dream crumbled after the decisive Turkish victory in 1922, culminating in the Treaty of Lausanne (1923). The result? A forced population exchange between Greece and Turkey, uprooting millions—Greeks from Anatolia and Turks from Greece. The grand ambition of empire-building left behind a bitter legacy of loss, displacement, and trauma on both sides.

Fun fact;

After the population exchange, Anatolian Greeks faced discrimination in mainland Greece, being called "Tourkosporoi" (Turk-seed) or "Yogurt Eaters" γιουβαρλάκια due to their Anatolian roots. Ironically, many "Greek" dishes today, like baklava, yoghurt and moussaka were brought by these refugees, fueling the ongoing Greek-Turkish food debates.

 

[CemalPasha]

Ottoman Mehter Marches being played in Tell Rifat by Turkmans

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[Chazman]

The Megali Idea you mention i guess was Greece's grand nationalist vision to reclaim territories like Anatolia and Constantinople, aiming to revive the Byzantine Empire. This dream led to violent campaigns during the Greco-Turkish War (1919–1922), where Greek forces committed atrocities against Anatolian civilians, including massacres and destruction.

However, the dream crumbled after the decisive Turkish victory in 1922, culminating in the Treaty of Lausanne (1923). The result? A forced population exchange between Greece and Turkey, uprooting millions—Greeks from Anatolia and Turks from Greece. The grand ambition of empire-building left behind a bitter legacy of loss, displacement, and trauma on both sides.

Fun fact;

After the population exchange, Anatolian Greeks faced discrimination in mainland Greece, being called "Tourkosporoi" (Turk-seed) or "Yogurt Eaters" γιουβαρλάκια due to their Anatolian roots. Ironically, many "Greek" dishes today, like baklava, yoghurt and moussaka were brought by these refugees, fueling the ongoing Greek-Turkish food debates.


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Thanks, but I know the history better than you might imagine. The Greeks of Smyrna and later Pontic Greeks lived in what is now western Turkey, before there was a Turkey. They did for centuries, until full on genocide was committed on those communities and the survivors fled to modern day Greece in the 1920's, with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Homes, property, livestock, all destroyed or taken. Cyprus, an EU nation, still has an occupying army 50 years after the invasion. It will be interesting when Cyprus joins NATO and is still being occupied by another NATO member. Awkward!

We could discuss this all day long, but we should probably move on, since it will certainly derail this thread.

 

[CemalPasha]

Thanks, but I know the history better than you might imagine. The Greeks of Smyrna and later Pontic Greeks lived in what is now western Turkey, before there was a Turkey. They did for centuries, until full on genocide was committed on those communities and the survivors fled to modern day Greece in the 1920's, with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Homes, property, livestock, all destroyed or taken. Cyprus, an EU nation, still has an occupying army 50 years after the invasion. It will be interesting when Cyprus joins NATO and is still being occupied by another NATO member. Awkward!

We could discuss this all day long, but we should probably move on, since it will certainly derail this thread.

Agreed.

 

[CemalPasha]

just in 72 hours

 

[CemalPasha]

Uncle sam just hit Hasbi Shabi pro iranian convoy at deir ez zour

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[CemalPasha]

HTS seized 50+ tanks. Assad needs more airforce equipment but pappy Putin has no ammo to give or he has to split supplies. That will help Ukrainian war effort. Russians cant lose that warm sea port.

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[CemalPasha]

Russian Mraps

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[CemalPasha]

Turkman HQ

 

[CemalPasha]

Aleppo is huge

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[Chazman]

These Iranian backed militias have attacked US Forces 29+ times. Nice of them to come out to play.

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[Chazman]

BRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT. The sound of Freedom. Reportedly heavy casualties. Trivia: The standard A-10 gun burst is the the time it takes to say, "Die Commie, Die".

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[Mike1976]

These Iranian backed militias have attacked US Forces 29+ times. Nice of them to come out to play.

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There were retaliatory attacks, including in Iraq, directly after such attacks occurred. There have also been plenty of attacks on US forces and citizens over the years around the world where no overt military action was taken, likely because it would have been estimated to cause problems further down the line.

As much as they have attacked US forces before, I don't feel it's likely that any action is being taken unless it directly aids US interest right now rather than some simple axe to grind.

The US was completely unwilling to take retaliatory action against Iranian interests after the ballistic missile attacks on Israel, now that they're bombing Iranian proxies and fairly likely also Iranian citizens mentoring them, something must have changed in the calculations (or maybe it was simply election posturing).

IIRC this is the area where ISIS still has some presence. Both the US and Israel seem to have a lot of interest in that area recently for some reason.

 

[Chazman]

There were retaliatory attacks, including in Iraq, directly after such attacks occurred. There have also been plenty of attacks on US forces and citizens over the years around the world where no overt military action was taken, likely because it would have been estimated to cause problems further down the line.

As much as they have attacked US forces before, I don't feel it's likely that any action is being taken unless it directly aids US interest right now rather than some simple axe to grind.

The US was completely unwilling to take retaliatory action against Iranian interests after the ballistic missile attacks on Israel, now that they're bombing Iranian proxies and fairly likely also Iranian citizens mentoring them, something must have changed in the calculations (or maybe it was simply election posturing).

IIRC this is the area where ISIS still has some presence. Both the US and Israel seem to have a lot of interest in that area recently for some reason.

Don’t rain on my parade, Mike.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

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[CemalPasha]

Hope Moscow's Saigon will occur soon. İf rebels and HTS conquer Hama easily Russians have nothing to do than leaving bases.

 

[Musashi]

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