Politics London: crime news and discussion

HisRoyalHighness · Jun 16, 2019

I decided to resurrect this news and discussion thread due to the bloodshed London suffered these past 48 hours.

London violence: Five attacks leave three dead in 24 hours

Police have made 14 arrests after five separate attacks in London left three men dead and three others injured in the space of 24 hours.

An 18-year-old man was stabbed to death at about 16:42 BST on Friday in Wandsworth, south London.

Police were called minutes later, at 16:54, to Plumstead, south-east London, where a 19-year-old man was shot dead.

A man in his 30s then died after he was stabbed in Tower Hamlets on Saturday afternoon.

In the early hours of Saturday two men were stabbed in Clapham and another was stabbed in Brixton.

London violence: Five attacks leave three dead in 24 hours

Fourteen people are arrested over five separate attacks in the capital in the space of 24 hours.

www.bbc.com

Jake84 · Jun 16, 2019

It’s mostly gang/drug related for clarification as some people wrongly link it to « Islamization » of London.

But it’s a very serious and worrying issue nonetheless giving London’s mayor quite some headaches.

bfc1001 · Jun 16, 2019

I spent a few years living at hemel hemstead (20 years ago or so ) . It's the first town north of London . The place was full of ex londoners and they all said the same thing . It's a sh*thole and they could not wait to get out of there , and that was twenty years ago !

Crime rates across the Square Mile rise by 20% - City Matters

Latest City of London figures show crime in the area has risen by a fifth compared to last year, leading the City Police to put more feet on the streets.

www.citymatters.london

Even the city of London is having problems which is an entity in it's own right which goes all the way back to the days of magna carta . Maybe the city of londons policy of creating extreme wealth and inadvertently extreme poverty as a bye product is the main underlying reason . If everyone's rich there's little crime ; if everyone's poor crime generally stays low ; you get a mixture of both then you tend to see a spike .

downsizer · Jun 16, 2019

Murder graph shows how London killings compare to US cities

Donald Trump should take a long hard look at the violence in his own country.

metro.co.uk

A bit of perspective....

primer · Jun 16, 2019

A little googling perspective confirmed Hillary won everyone of those cities 2016..

Euroamerican · Jun 21, 2019

Yes. While enjoying the irony that ALL those violent murderous cities in the US Democrat party strongholds and rather restrictive of private ownership, the thought of smirking at London's issues is a bit much. I'd rather compare the murder rates in general, not the gun murder numbers.

HisRoyalHighness · Jun 21, 2019

Barnet stabbing victim becomes fifth person killed in London in six days

A man has died following a triple stabbing in north London, the fifth killing in the capital in six days, triggering a murder investigation.

Officers were called to Welbeck Road, Barnet, at 10.50pm on Tuesday following reports of a fight.

Scotland Yard said three men who had been stabbed were taken to hospital, one of whom later died.

The two other injured men – one in his 20s and another in his 30s – were not in a life-threatening condition, the force said.

Man dies after triple knife attack in London, bringing death toll to five in under a week

Two teenagers charged over one fatal incident to appear in Old Bailey on Wednesday

www.independent.co.uk

And to be more fair:

Met Police detectives 'solve 88%' of London murders

Det Ch Insp Noel McHugh was speaking after official figures revealed the Met had solved nearly 90% of all homicide investigations in the past decade.

However, he insisted the small percentage of unsolved murder cases was "absolutely heartbreaking".

Families left without justice have expressed their anger at people who withheld "vital information".

Commissioner Cressida Dick has previously said detectives were operating in a "very challenging" environment and were met with a "wall of silence" in some cases.

The Met classes homicides as "detected" when a suspect is charged or following an inquest into the death of a suspect who would have been charged.

Det Ch Insp McHugh explained there were a higher number of unsolved homicides in 2018 and 2017 than other recent years because "crimes don't necessarily get detected in the year they happen".

He said challenges currently facing the homicide teams included extracting data from multiple mobile phones.

"Every mobile phone is effectively a computer. There is a massive amount of work for investigators to work through," Mr McHugh said.

"It might take two or three days to totally understand what a device was doing on that particular day.

"Recently, we had an investigation where we recovered 50 phones - it is enormous."

Met Police murder detectives 'face wall of silence'

Most homicides in London in the past decade have been solved, but police are still challenging a reluctance to "snitch".

www.bbc.com

Don't get me wrong, I am the first to admit we have way more massive crime ridden cities that put London to shame. I just hate blubbering fools like Khan and Dick.

bfc1001 · Jun 21, 2019

Liverpool teenagers 'paid money to stab other youths'

Young people tell the BBC they have been offered up to £1,000 by gang leaders in Liverpool.

www.bbc.com

I would say they are lots of other issues in other British cities HRH and you could argue relative to size have very similar crime levels . The reason your fed up up of hearing folk such as Khan is that London always hogs the headlines while other areas become secondary issues . Probably one of the reasons for the brexit vote , people are quite tired of the London bubble and it's needs and wants to the detriment of other regions .

colin traveller · Jun 22, 2019

bfc1001 · Jun 22, 2019

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Tough call and a situation I would not like to be put in . Sure , Jack's led his parents on a merry dance but I don't really see much point in this prosecution over what amounts to pocket change . I'm going to guess his parents were not sending money for him to go and buy a machine gun . Their intentions were of a good cause it's just the states interpretation of their actions which falls under the remit of " supporting terrorism" .

HisRoyalHighness · Jun 22, 2019

#Hounslow MURDER: A young man in his 20s has been shot dead in #Feltham last night. Scotland Yard say police were called just after 11.00pm to Exeter House on Watermill Way. The victim was pronounced dead at the scene. As yet nobody has been arrested.

This is rather unusual, there's been a lot of shootings in London just this month.

#WalthamForest BREAKING: A 28 year old man has been shot in east London. Scotland Yard say police were called to Birch Grove in #Leytonstone, #E11 at 11.38am. The victims condition has been deemed as stable. As yet there have been no arrests. A crime scene remains.

#Lambeth #TulseHill A 17 year old boy is fighting for his life in hospital after he was shot on the Tulse Hill Estate, #SW2 last night. Scotland Yard say police were called at 9.40pm. As yet there have been no arrests. A crime scene remains.

#Camden A crime scene is in place after reports of shots fired on Camden High Street near to Jamestown Road, #NW1 in the early hours of this morning. Scotland Yard say police were called at 01.25. Nobody has been injured. No arrests have been made.

#Lambeth A man in his 20s has been shot in the leg last night in south-east London. Scotland Yard say police were made aware of a man suffering from a gunshot wound on Royal Street, #Waterloo, #SE1 at 10.30pm. Video: @TrueAJKing More below.

#Greenwich MURDER: A teenager has been shot dead in south-east London this afternoon. Scotland Yard say police were called to a car park on Hartville Road, #Plumstead, #SE18 just before 5.00pm. The man, aged in his late teens, was pronounced dead at the scene.

#Lambeth A 24 year old man has been shot in his leg. Met police say they were called at 9.30pm to #Clapham Road at the junction with Clitheroe Road, #SW9. The victims condition is currently unknown. A shell casing was recovered at the scene.

HisRoyalHighness · Jul 1, 2019

London murders: Four killed including heavily pregnant woman in 24 hours of bloodshed on the capital's streets

Heavily pregnant woman, 26, stabbed to death in Croydon - her baby survived but is in critical condition in hospital

Just before 6pm on Saturday, a man was injured in a fight in Coldharbour lane in Brixton and later died

A man in his 20s was stabbed to death in Newham just after 11pm last nightAn 18-year-old died after being stabbed in Southwark in the small hours of Sunday morning

The deaths take the number of people killed in violence in London in 2019 up to 64

Four dead, including pregnant mother, in 24 hours of London bloodshed

Heavily pregnant woman, 26, stabbed to death in Croydon - her baby survived but is in critical condition in hospital Just before 6pm on Saturday, a man was injured in a fight in Coldharbour lane in Brixton and later died A man in his 20s was stabbed to death in Newham just after 11pm last night...

www.standard.co.uk

Snapshot of Significant Violent Crimes in London Region in June 2019
- 14 Murders
- 7 non fatal Shootings
- 25 Stabbings *
- 3 Acid Attacks *
- We have recorded over 260 Murders & Stabbings in 2019 *

* (many incidents include multiple casualties)

@IntellFusion #knifecrime

NebrHogger · Jul 1, 2019

Meanwhile - in Chicago...

Chicago experiences most violent weekend of 2019: 52 shot, 10 killed

Ten people were killed last weekend in what Chicago's police chief called a "despicable level of violence."

www.usatoday.com

Chicago shootings mostly relate to gang violence and retaliation, yet the police have been criticized for targeting black and Hispanic youth who are affiliated with gangs.

Is the majority of London gun crime related to gangs?

Jake84 · Jul 1, 2019

NebrHogger said:
Meanwhile - in Chicago...

Chicago experiences most violent weekend of 2019: 52 shot, 10 killed

Ten people were killed last weekend in what Chicago's police chief called a "despicable level of violence."

www.usatoday.com

Chicago shootings mostly relate to gang violence and retaliation, yet the police have been criticized for targeting black and Hispanic youth who are affiliated with gangs.

Is the majority of London gun crime related to gangs?

Sure. Drugs and gangs, what else?

HisRoyalHighness · Jul 1, 2019

NebrHogger said:
Meanwhile - in Chicago...

Chicago experiences most violent weekend of 2019: 52 shot, 10 killed

Ten people were killed last weekend in what Chicago's police chief called a "despicable level of violence."

www.usatoday.com

Chicago shootings mostly relate to gang violence and retaliation, yet the police have been criticized for targeting black and Hispanic youth who are affiliated with gangs.

We call it Chiraq and the city is a tumor on the state of Illinois.

Is the majority of London gun crime related to gangs?

Yep, AFAIK it's divided between local drug gangs, drill gangs (rap and turf), and the Albanian cartel who are de facto in control of London's drug, prostitution, and weapons trades.

NebrHogger · Jul 2, 2019

I thought there might be some sort of ethnic or religious strife going on. Looks like those tough gun laws haven't achieved the desired result.

HisRoyalHighness · Jul 12, 2019

London Violent Crime Snapshot Last 24 Hours:

- 3 Murders
- 1 Shooting
- 3 injured in Stabbings
- 1 seriously Assaulted

HisRoyalHighness · Jul 29, 2019

Sorry for the source:

What a bunch of snowflakes! Police say millennial recruits ‘wrapped in cotton wool’

Many youngsters hoping to take down criminals are ill-prepared for the realities of the job and are shocked to learn they may have to work weekends - as if thieves and fraudsters only operate Monday to Friday. The findings of a Home Office report released this month offer a dismal outlook for the future of many policing hopefuls. The Front Line Review, which 244 officers and police staff from 43 forces across England and Wales contributed to, said: “Participants gave examples of recruitment interviews where candidates had stated they do not like confrontation or were shocked by the need to work different shift patterns and possibilities of cancelled rest days."

What a bunch of snowflakes! Police recruits ‘wrapped in cotton wool'

POLICE forces are facing a fresh problem when it comes to recruiting new cops - because snowflake millenials are “wrapped in cotton wool”.

www.express.co.uk

But The Times also reported it:

Millennials? They aren’t much cop at police work

As police forces prepare for the government’s ambitious recruitment drive, they have identified a formidable new challenge: hiring millennials.The Home Office has been told that rookies have been “wrapped in cotton wool”, are routinely shocked that police are expected to work nights and weekends an

www.thetimes.co.uk

Knife crime in England and Wales rises 8% over year

Knife crime-related offences rose by 8% in England and Wales in the past year, government figures have shown.

Between April 2018 and March 2019, police forces recorded 43,516 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument, in comparison with 40,215 in the year ending March 2018.

The increase, based on data from 43 police forces in England and Wales, excludes Greater Manchester police (GMP) due to the force’s undercounting of knife-related crimes in previous years.

When crimes involving a knife or sharp instrument recorded by GMP over the past year are factored in, the figure for offences in England and Wales is 47,136 – the highest since records began.

Of those incidents, 32% happened in London – where for every 100,000 people, there were 169 knife-related offences.

Knife crime in England and Wales rises 8% over year

Police record 43,000 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument, official data shows

www.theguardian.com

Gaz · Jul 29, 2019

The report is fully available here - https://assets.publishing.service.g...ith-police-officers-and-staff-full-report.pdf

The relevant section states the following -

Comments were made that the police as an organisation are recruiting people at a younger age and with less work experience than past recruits and that, consequently, these new recruits are not prepared for the realities of policing:

"No idea what they’re coming into; they’ve lived in a society where they are wrapped up in cotton wool an awful lot. They come into this job and their mental health or their ability to cope with certain situations is just not evident from day one." (Inspector/superintendent)

The expectations of applicants were not considered to be managed well in the recruitment process. There was a feeling that new recruits apply with their focus on the exciting side of policing, not realising that the majority of time is not spent on these tasks.

Participants gave examples of recruitment interviews where candidates had stated they do not like confrontation or were shocked by the need to work different shift patterns and possibilities of cancelled rest days. However, it was suggested that these unrealistic expectations may be a generational phenomenon related to people who have recently reached adulthood - a “millennial thing” - and not unique to policing. It was questioned whether it was possible to change this culture or whether policing had to adapt to the changing expectations of the younger generation and try to be more engaging as an organisation.

The need to focus on recruiting people with the attributes necessary to cope with the situations they would have to face within frontline policing was repeatedly mentioned. A suggestion was made for forces to recruit people who have worked in jobs where they have had to deal with the public. Participants with this kind of experience found that it had helped to prepare them for the confrontational situations they would later be put into within policing, for example:
"I went and worked in a busy pub… then I joined the police because then I thought right I’m ready for it. I’ve done that, I’ve had confrontation, I’ve grown up and I’ve toughened up.” (Constable/sergeant)

There's a separate report with a summary of key issues and recommendations - https://assets.publishing.service.g...815791/FLR_Recommendations_report_sent_V2.pdf

The key issues being -

• a feeling that demand is increasing while capacity is decreasing
• a general feeling that frontline officers and staff feel undervalued by the wider policing system
• a feeling of disconnect between the front line and senior / national decision makers
• a profound scepticism about the ability of the front line to inform change and improvement
• frustrations caused by unnecessary demands on time seen to get in the way of core policing, including:
• internally generated demands on time, such as disproportionate administration, overly bureaucratic processes, ineffective IT and difficulties in sharing best practice and learning
• externally generated demands on time driven by other public agencies relying on the police to provide out of hours cover – for example mental health and social services-related demands on policing
• scepticism about the authenticity of the emerging wellbeing agenda and desire to see it embedded in a consistent way with a lasting impact
• a feeling that the front line is not afforded sufficient time or space for activities that positively impact on their wellbeing, such as:
• time for decompression
• adequate debriefing
• discussions with colleagues
• training and development
• counselling
• physical activity
• a feeling that the front line is not afforded sufficient time with line managers for support, personal development and performance reviews
• a feeling that there is a lack of awareness and transparency in the national learning and development offer for the front line
• a view that the current approach to recruiting and developing talent is not fit for purpose with particular criticism of the performance review system and online learning methods

Just my personal opinion but it seems to me that the recruitment issue is one of a very large number of things that police officers are unhappy about, but since both the Express and Times are newspapers with a readership that tends to support the Conservative Party, they've skipped straight over things like increasing demand and decreasing capacity (Presumably due to budget cuts) and the disconnect between frontline officers and national decision makers in order to make fun of young people because that's the kind of thing that readers of the Express and the Times like.

Like I said, just my personal opinion.

BCNTM · Jul 29, 2019

Gaz said:
Just my personal opinion but it seems to me that the recruitment issue is one of a very large number of things that police officers are unhappy about, but since both the Express and Times are newspapers with a readership that tends to support the Conservative Party, they've skipped straight over things like increasing demand and decreasing capacity (Presumably due to budget cuts) and the disconnect between frontline officers and national decision makers in order to make fun of young people because that's the kind of thing that readers of the Express and the Times like.

Like I said, just my personal opinion.

I am beginning to think that particularly in London they need a two tier Police force like they do in Spain

A Local Police Force and something a bit more military - heavily armed ex soldiers - but you would need a political will to sort it out which is not currently there

I have lost all confidence in the Police they just don't deal with crime anymore

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