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Protesters at the Armenian government building in Yerevan. According to the RIA Novosti correspondent, the windows are broken in the building.
 
That is what you get if you're overdependent on Russia. The Armenians failed to modernize their army, relying on outdated (Russian) military concepts and technology. But considering the resources at their disposal, compared to that of Azerbaijan, it was only a matter of time before concrete developments on the ground would have forced Yerevan to make painful concessions. Russia was never going to jeopardize its ties to Azerbaijan/Turkey for the sake of Karabakh. In stead, it bolstered its military presence in the area and leverage over both parties.

Basically, Armenia stood alone against two dedicated actors (Turkey and Azerbaijan) that were willing to go to great lengths to force the Armenians into submission.
 
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Mardonius said:
That is what you get if you're overdependent on Russia. The Armenians failed to modernize their army, relying on outdated (Russian) military concepts and technology.
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So what's the alternative? What country and what equipment should they depend on?
You seem to forget there are not any powerful and friendly countries nearby, while an alternative equipment costs a sh1tload of $.

Russia's strategic goal is to drive Turkey out of the NATO, so Putin has to make some hard decisions, balancing short-term and long-term goals.
 
Musashi said:
So what's the alternative? What country and what equipment should they depend on?
You seem to forget there are not any powerful and friendly countries nearby, while an alternative equipment costs a sh1tload of $.
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There is no alternative. Ideally, Armenia would have been a self-reliant power on par with Israel, both driven by a national trauma (genocide), a strong communal drive for independence and a resourceful diaspora able to acquire international support and investment. But the Armenians, in contrast to the Israelis, were plagued by systemic corruption, an unfavourable geographic environment (landlocked) and the inability to modernize their society and army. That's a self-inflicted wound to some extent, considering the fact that the Armenians are a resourceful and intelligent people.

Their continued over-dependence on Russia will prevent them from making any meaningful political and economic reforms and much needed integration with the rest of Europe. They are really in a dire situation for the foreseeable future.
 
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Armenian decided to rely on EC
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So Armenians blame EC now

❗️?? In Yerevan, the office of Radio Liberty, the main pro-government propaganda mouthpiece, was attacked.
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Mardonius said:
There is no alternative. Ideally, Armenia would have been a self-reliant power on par with Israel, both driven by a national trauma (genocide), a strong communal drive for independence and a resourceful diaspora able to acquire international support and investment. But the Armenians, in contrast to the Israelis, were plagued by systemic corruption, an unfavourable geographic environment (landlocked) and the inability to modernize their society and army. That's a self-inflicted wound to some extent, considering the fact that the Armenians are a resourceful and intelligent people.

Their continued over-dependence on Russia will prevent them from making any meaningful political and economic reforms and much needed integration with the rest of Europe. They are really in a dire situation for the foreseeable future.
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There's no comparison to Israel, which receives billions in direct military aid for decades. There's only one Israel, and there's only one USA, failures of other countries is not that they aren't Israel. Some of that tech Israel has developed was used by the opposing side so that's Israel / US role here.
There was no way Armenia N-K was going to go toe to toe with a full on Turkish Azerbijani alliance.
What's obvious is the international community cares little for this region, and I guess it's substitute in this case (Russia) did ok, considering the facts on the ground.
 
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relying on outdated (Russian) military concepts and technology.
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It is like say KSA failed in Yemen because relying on outdated (western) military concepts and technology. Ridiculous.

Armenians can blame themselves only because they did nothing to prepare to war and hoped Russians will died for them and win for them.
While NKR soldiers on the ground were brave and did all they can, armenian government not even fully deloyed armenian army, not mobilised additional troops, not even formally recognised NKR.
And this anti-Russian revolt that lead Pashinyan come to power. Not surprised that armenians call him a traitor.

In wider perspective, it is just another Russian-Turkish confrontation when Russia trying to evade full scale war with Turkey. And turks just push their luck, they obviously can't win this war. For me Russian-Turkish war is enevitable, not this time but i still very pessimistic on this. History tends to repeat itself and we still circles around for centuries here.
 
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It is like say KSA failed in Yemen because relying on outdated (western) military concepts and technology. Ridiculous.
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You're comparing apples with oranges.

The Saudis never managed to master the concepts and technologies transferred to them. The Armenians on the other hand are still relying on outdated Russian technology that is ill-suited for 21st century warfare, as they could have noticed if they would've paid attention to the conflicts in Syria, Libya and even in the Persian Gulf.

Besides, I'm not making a case for western technology over here. Just stating the obvious fact that complacency and the unwillingness/inability to innovate has bitten Armenia in the ass.
 
Mardonius said:
There is no alternative. Ideally, Armenia would have been a self-reliant power on par with Israel, both driven by a national trauma (genocide), a strong communal drive for independence and a resourceful diaspora able to acquire international support and investment. But the Armenians, in contrast to the Israelis, were plagued by systemic corruption, an unfavourable geographic environment (landlocked) and the inability to modernize their society and army. That's a self-inflicted wound to some extent, considering the fact that the Armenians are a resourceful and intelligent people.

Their continued over-dependence on Russia will prevent them from making any meaningful political and economic reforms and much needed integration with the rest of Europe. They are really in a dire situation for the foreseeable future.
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Your post doesn’t make any sense and it’s just an anti-Russian sh1t flinging.
Comparing Israel with Armenia doesn’t make any sense. The former is FAR richer, much more populated, has the USA as a protector and, most importantly, has nukes.
The Jewish diaspora in all over the world, especially in the USA, is disproportionately influential comparing to its size.
Its influence extends into wealth, science, politics, banking, big companies, medicine, law and media.

You fight with what you can afford, so stop comparing these two countries.

Furthermore, I don’t really understand your inconsistency. You talk about the outdated Soviet/Russian equipment, while your favourite Iran is far below the standard Soviet technical level when it comes to military planes, tanks and ships.
 
Mardonius said:
You're comparing apples with oranges.

The Saudis never managed to master the concepts and technologies transferred to them. The Armenians on the other hand are still relying on outdated Russian technology that is ill-suited for 21st century warfare, as they could have noticed if they would've paid attention to the conflicts in Syria, Libya and even in the Persian Gulf.

Besides, I'm not making a case for western technology over here. Just stating the obvious fact that complacency and the unwillingness/inability to innovate has bitten Armenia in the ass.
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No, it’s you who is comparing apples with oranges. That’s exactly what you have done, comparing Armenia with Israel.
The former is quite poor and it has a small military budget that still makes up a big percentage of its GDP.
Azerbaijan got a lot of military assistance from Turkey, that made the difference. There’s no proof for that, but some Turkish generals may have been masterminds for the Azeri success. It can be said the same about operating drones. You sit inside a room, far from the frontline, so it’s very unlikely your enemy would be able to track and target you. So, you could be Azeri, Turkish or a reptilian.
 
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Musashi said:
Your post doesn’t make any sense and it’s just an anti-Russian sh1t flinging.
Comparing Israel with Armenia doesn’t make any sense. The former is FAR richer, much more populated, has the USA as a protector and, most importantly, has nukes.
The Jewish diaspora in all over the world, especially in the USA, is disproportionately influential comparing to its size.
Its influence extends into wealth, science, politics, banking, big companies, medicine, law and media.

You fight with what you can afford, so stop comparing these two countries.
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I never compared both countries with each other. Why don't you try to read more carefully what I've said. I spoke about the inherit drive of both people to establish independence as a prerequisite for innovation and resourcefulness.

Furthermore, I don’t really understand your inconsistency. You talk about the outdated Soviet/Russian equipment, while your favourite Iran is far below the standard Soviet technical level when it comes to military planes, tanks and ships.
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That is because military planes, tanks and ships have a secondary place in Iranian military strategy. There are hardly any funds going to these departments.
 
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