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Sounds like hysteria to me and the preppers will be the most dangerous if anything like this were to happen.

When their supplies run out they would become the very people they claim to be protecting themselves from.
 
saiga said:
I don´t know? But I´ve seen a 6-year-old beat the S**t out of an adult krav maga style.



So let the Hunger Games begin!
All of a sudden, having beer on the roof doesn´t seem like such a bad idea.
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Beer is always a good idea o_O
 
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Oh, I so wanna do this at work.
 
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During the Blizzard of '79, I was first exposed as a child to the importance of having food and toiletry supplies already on hand.

When we were hit by Hurricane Gloria, I saw the importance of why even if you're not an outdoor or a barbeque type of person, why having a grill already on hand was a lifesaver.

Being a careerist in the US Army with lots of field and war time, taught me why having a centralized supply point was important, critical even, and why you never wanted to be separated from it.

Yes, Katrina was an eye opener to the perils of not being prepared and how defenseless one could really be against predators.

And yes, some of the prepper types are loons but they are not the norm for those who have long term preparations for bad outcomes. Don't let the noise from TV, movies, shows, news, and social medias cloud your judgement of those that are actually giving signal.

The recent Covid hoax scares and shortages along with the Floyd riots world wide of four years ago, was another teacher of what happens when one is caught ill prepared for any BS emergencies.

Living in one of those remote areas that bug out people saying that they are going to, the worst we had to deal with were poachers but they never went into areas where our cabins and homesteads were as the trip was rather strenuous and consumed up precious commodities like fuel and daylight.

But even living remotely one still needs a fallback area. For those that can afford it, I would suggest a place in the town and in the hills or mountains. Places in town and cities are great for when you are at mandatory fire evacuations, that we were forced to do for a good portion of fire season here in Arizona. When we first moved here and were unsure of what we wanted as in where we wanted to live, we decided on buying a condo to figure it out from. That condo was a source of income when we bought our house. Then one day my MIL asked to live in it.

It saved our bacons from being forced to live in a local school's gymnasium along with the others. Not that it's a bad thing but one really cannot keep any supplies brought with to be safe around the others from taking for themselves or being forced to "share" by coercion (redistributed under the threat of violence, public shaming, or the government boot/gun).

The above are some things for the viewers here to think about after getting the POV of someone's sample of having lived through emergencies.
 
Jack-Sparrow said:
Sounds like hysteria to me and the preppers will be the most dangerous if anything like this were to happen.

When their supplies run out they would become the very people they claim to be protecting themselves from.
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Boy did your post not age well at all, brother.

Covid and Floyd happened, your false narrative never occurred and having those supplies on hand was a lifesaver. Never give fallacy based false absolutes, it'll come back later on to bite you in the butt such as right now.
 
So you have the guns, ammo, food, and other things along with it? Now what? What about the knowledge to use all of that, some even for combined operations?

Having first aid is great an all, but real life bleed-outs ain't going to be fixed with a Youtube tutorial. You or they will expire before the application of. They have stop the bleed classes for civilians and more so for the workplace at discounted prices for businesses. Believe it or not but if you train for anything in decent proportions, it all becomes muscle memory and or rather instinctive reflexes to do by checking for bleeds, signs of shock, and air obstructions and how to treat each one.

Having a gun is great. But it's absolutely useless if one isn't ready and fully committed to it's deadly use of force as a tool and when to use it or not, and especially how to use it properly. And if it's for one intended use only and not a jack of all trades yet master of none, you are doing it wrong.

And about guns as a prep, I can see the value of having more than one AR15 or Glock. You might have guests that happen to be there at bad timing and needing to outfit them to do their fair share. But if it's just you and yours, you both ain't going to be able to carry it all and trying to kit them all out and in nearly every permutation of, is stupid. Take it from a guy who has a lot of guns, at some point it becomes a job on it's own so I really only concentrate on three guns really. What I carry daily, what my ride or die secondary and nightstand gun is, and the rifle that will be on me at all times.

So my point is, whatever your ride or die will be for multipurpose from hunting to self defense please choose wisely. Don't cheap out because you will only get one life to use it. Parts aren't all just parts, tolerance stacking is a real thing, fact checked true.

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To those uninitiated and scornful of things, maybe even thinking that their appeals to themselves having served fallacies galore, you have no clue what you are mocking about in the pictured above of a very useful and hopefully never having to be used tool.

If that light or laser triggers you, even the backup irons, well enjoy getting triggered even more behind bars because you got nervous at night or from afar in daylight and smoked your own wife, kid, or another friendly because you didn't properly identify them. I have seen optics being knocked out during contacts and the user having to go to irons. The laser is faster to deploy than irons in close quarters with visible, and if I have to explain why the IR laser is to be used emitting at night and with night vision, then you are way uninformed and not the mighty warrior that you thought you were.

From those in the industry, instructors, and those whom carry similar tools into harms way right now as a living, they all have mentioned that I have a well thought out rifle that's seen some things and it shows. However outfit yours if lawfully able to own, and train/kit out accordingly with your case uses for. Know your own land's use of force laws and what is a real grave bodily harm or credible death threat.
 
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Trouble in this country is lack of space. I have supplies but I have no way of getting rid of my useless neighbours!
 
downsizer said:
Trouble in this country is lack of space. I have supplies but I have no way of getting rid of my useless neighbours!
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What were the Covid shortages like over there? I was only able to get a glimpse of it from one family's VLOG channel on YouTube. TP was definitely an issue along with cleaning supplies.
 
Naked and afraid and alone series shows how we don't have the skills no more. To get by.
Most simply starve. If it really turned to custard those who have prepped will soon have not much competition.
 
LimaCharles said:
What were the Covid shortages like over there? I was only able to get a glimpse of it from one family's VLOG channel on YouTube. TP was definitely an issue along with cleaning supplies.
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To be honest I didn't find them that bad.....TP was an issue and other "prepping" staples were an issue...canned goods, dried pasta, etc....the supermarkets put limits on purchases, say only 2 chickens at a time to stop horders....

The biggest problem was idiots panicking and buying waaaaaayyyyyy more than they could use.

Because I keep pur house well stocked and have a chest freezer they largely passed us by. Others probably had more issues than I did.
 
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To be honest I didn't find them that bad.....TP was an issue and other "prepping" staples were an issue...canned goods, dried pasta, etc....the supermarkets put limits on purchases, say only 2 chickens at a time to stop horders....

The biggest problem was idiots panicking and buying waaaaaayyyyyy more than they could use.

Because I keep pur house well stocked and have a chest freezer they largely passed us by. Others probably had more issues than I did.
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I laugh when people panic buy over a snowstorm. These are the ones whom are hurting the most during bad times. You'd think at some of their ages that life would have already taughtened them those lessons to become better prepared for.

Nope. Obviously not.

I no longer feel for the deliberately obtuse. Yes, I am being apathetic, but it's only to apathetic persons in return though.

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LimaCharles said:
Boy did your post not age well at all, brother.

Covid and Floyd happened, your false narrative never occurred and having those supplies on hand was a lifesaver. Never give fallacy based false absolutes, it'll come back later on to bite you in the butt such as right now.
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Being prepared never hurt anyone and preparation =/= paranoia.
 
downsizer said:
To be honest I didn't find them that bad.....TP was an issue and other "prepping" staples were an issue...canned goods, dried pasta, etc....the supermarkets put limits on purchases, say only 2 chickens at a time to stop horders....

The biggest problem was idiots panicking and buying waaaaaayyyyyy more than they could use.

Because I keep pur house well stocked and have a chest freezer they largely passed us by. Others probably had more issues than I did.
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No, but it does show that even a minor disruption will work like a snowball at the top of a hill.

And with 90% of the population being completely unprepared sh*t goes downhill fast.
 
Regarding guns (plus other weapons and any kind of tool really):

Find a handgun and a rifle that are both bestsellers so the chance of finding spare parts is as big as possible, the quirks in the design will have been worked out and familiarity with them is as good as it can get. Reliable beats high-tech if high-tech isn't reliable.

Imo a handgun and a rifle are the minimum for allround use. Either will put down small game and people.

Standardize on a model of handgun and rifle and buy several of each.

Go for compromises if necessary so everyone in the household can use all of them. For example a compact model Glock might be a little small for your hands, but will likely fit your wife and children perfectly. If that's really not feasible at least try to go for commonality in parts. Likewise a rifle that kicks like a mule and concusses everyone around including the shooter is going to a) prove more of a hindrance to the team and b) instill a flinch in inexperienced shooters because they are going to instinctively expect every gun to have that effect and the body's involuntary reaction to it will affect accuracy. Acquiring the flinch is easy, getting rid of it again takes a lot of training.

Have a solid ironsight option that has at least partial co-witness with the optic. Yes, that Tier 1 unit has used [optic X] for the last 10 years in every imaginable warzone without any malfunctions, but that's not a great deal of comfort when yours does decide to fail when you need it.

Pick calibres that are readily available, affordable and legal in your area.

One is none. Have spare tools + spare parts, not either/or. Having spare tools is important because a tiny part like a spring breaking may cause the tool to become inoperable and you can't count on having the time to repair it. And the tiniest parts are often overlooked when it comes to stocking spares.

Guns are tools and tools are usage items. Use something because it's been proven effective, not because you have a sentimental attachment to it. Grandpa's shotgun that he gave to you on his deathbed might work, but it might not be the best option and are you going to replace it (or even toss it when in SHTF) when it starts to fail on you? Rather unlikely imo. Keep the family heirlooms on the wall where they belong.

Having an edge put on your weapons and tools is fine, but have the equipment and skills to do the sharpening yourself. From the manufacturer most blades aren't actually all that sharp. Get a whetstone.

Check all of your equipment at least once a month to ensure it's working, batteries are charged, nothing is rusting, leaking, moldy etc.

Practice, practice, practice. If SHTF and you're holding your [item] trembling because you're trying to remember how to operate it you've already failed.
 
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