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The NATO charter never took into account one of its member being an active sponsor of terrorist groups threatening the security of other NATO members and safety and peace of the region.
Nor did it took into account such a country actively threatening neighboring countries.
So, maybe it is time to update that charter and get rid of Turkey.
Nor did it took into account such a country actively threatening neighboring countries.
So, maybe it is time to update that charter and get rid of Turkey.
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Those Armenian balistic missiles intentionally aimed urban areas in Berde district Azerbaijan.
21 civilians killed more than 70 wounded.
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This news may be a BS:
bulgarianmilitary.com
Russia shot down 9 Bayraktar drones near its Gyumri military base, Armenia
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I see this vid and the first thing that crosses my mind is.... look, look, the kind of goodies all those il76 flying up and down that corridor over Georgia had their holds filled up with.
That drone resolution is waaaaay better than anything I had seen from Armenian side ever.
Flying a few km away, and when it zooms in, the image resolution is pretty good.
May be they over did it by releasing this vid and managed to piss off someone in Moscow, but its clear at least to me that they didnt possesed this kind of kit a few weeks ago. Azerbaijanis and Turks I suppose that got the message also. May be is time to chill up, or you dont want to find out what did we sent there 2 days ago.
Food for thought
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You are a frog. And she is a POG.
And no substantial number of countries are calling for Turkey to be kicked out of NATO. Unless you are in some meetings in Brussels and want to talk about it? There is a difference between Presidential hopefuls, and obscure right wing parties and the actual NATO alliance. Get that through your little head.
Also.
I find it funny that all these Syrians are being killed by Armenia but none of it is documented. It seems Armenia is going on a massacre all over the place, dropping drones left and right, killing Syrians in the thousands, destroying more tanks than Azerbaijan has. How come none of this S**t is documented? Some guy from some place said he spoke to somebody from some group who said they are doing this, and that. Is this substantial evidence of anything?
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This news may be a BS:
Russia shot down 9 Bayraktar drones near its Gyumri military base, Armenia
One is documented. The rest are like all the Syrian mercenaries Armenia killed. They vanished into thin air before they could document it.
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While the Canadian optics can be replaced by domestic products, I’m not sure about engines.
Turkey cooperates with Ukraine and it sold the latter a number drones. Some Ukrainian companies, like Moto Sich, produce engines, but some people say they don’t produce any engines suitable to this size of drones.
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NATO is an anachronism and Ankara's membership even more so. Today, Turkey undermines U.S. and European security.
Ankara attempted to drag the U.S. into the conflict against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad while accommodating ISIS as it conquered territory and terrorized captive residents.
Turkey probably would not even qualify for alliance membership today. It is engulfed in multiple conflicts largely of its own making. The extraordinarily brutal military campaign in the 1980s and 1990s against the large Kurdish minority could have induced Western intervention had the culprit not been a member of NATO. Now the conflict burns anew.
Moreover, early in the civil war the Erdogan government backed the ouster of Assad and attempted to drag the U.S. into the horrid imbroglio. The Turkish government also aided the rise of ISIS by turning a blind eye to the latter's cross-border activities, a decision which backfired badly after the group launched attacks.
At the same time, Turkey no longer meets the democracy and human rights standards for new members. In fact, Secretary of State John Kerry warned Ankara against moving away from the alliance's "requirement with respect to democracy" in the aftermath of the coup.
NATO was willing to overlook such blemishes in the past, but today's descent to authoritarianism is much harder to accept. In fact, the regime is distancing itself from the West.
The collapse of Turkish democracy is a tragedy for Turkey's citizens and a problem for other nations. Turkey's voluntary departure from NATO would best serve America's and Europe's interests.
NATO shouldn’t come to Turkey’s defense - instead, it should begin proceedings immediately to determine if the lengthy and growing list of Turkish transgressions against the West, including its support for Islamic terrorists, have merit. And if they do - and they most certainly do - the Alliance’s supreme decision-making body, the North Atlantic Council, should formally oust Turkey from NATO for good before its belligerence and continual aggression drags the international community into World War III.
This is an action that is long overdue.
Erdogan, who is Islamist to the core, who once famously declared that “the mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers”, seems to see himself as the Islamic leader of a post-Arab-Spring Muslim world.
The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Turkey’s latest efforts to expand its influence as part of its neo-imperial ambitions in the region at the expense of human life and human rights. If Turkey’s attacks are not stopped, the world can expect that this country, with a long track record of human rights abuses, will continue expanding its influence throughout the region.
The attacks are also a continuation of a history of terror that Armenians have suffered for more than a century. Long before the genocide of 1915...
The conflict threatens to destabilize the region, with effects from Russia to Iran and beyond. And Turkey’s involvement threatens to escalate the conflict further. Turkey continues to commit internal and external human rights abuses, and to play a role in destabilizing other countries such as Syria, Libya, and Iraq, or areas like the Mediterranean, and now the Caucasus. Observers believe that Turkey is in Azerbaijan to stay, regardless of the results of the current war, as part of its neo-Ottoman (Erdogan's pet-project) vision of extending influence to Turkic speaking countries from Central Asia to China.
And yes, there are ISIS-Turkish-backed militia men in Nagorno:
www.hstoday.us
sofrep.com
www.thenationalnews.com
www.theguardian.com
nationalpost.com
english.alarabiya.net
www.al-monitor.com
www.dw.com
www.rferl.org
www.ispionline.it
www.reuters.com
And even back in 2014:
sofrep.com
But I guess "it's not true until Great Sultan says it is".
Ankara attempted to drag the U.S. into the conflict against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad while accommodating ISIS as it conquered territory and terrorized captive residents.
Turkey probably would not even qualify for alliance membership today. It is engulfed in multiple conflicts largely of its own making. The extraordinarily brutal military campaign in the 1980s and 1990s against the large Kurdish minority could have induced Western intervention had the culprit not been a member of NATO. Now the conflict burns anew.
Moreover, early in the civil war the Erdogan government backed the ouster of Assad and attempted to drag the U.S. into the horrid imbroglio. The Turkish government also aided the rise of ISIS by turning a blind eye to the latter's cross-border activities, a decision which backfired badly after the group launched attacks.
At the same time, Turkey no longer meets the democracy and human rights standards for new members. In fact, Secretary of State John Kerry warned Ankara against moving away from the alliance's "requirement with respect to democracy" in the aftermath of the coup.
NATO was willing to overlook such blemishes in the past, but today's descent to authoritarianism is much harder to accept. In fact, the regime is distancing itself from the West.
The collapse of Turkish democracy is a tragedy for Turkey's citizens and a problem for other nations. Turkey's voluntary departure from NATO would best serve America's and Europe's interests.
NATO shouldn’t come to Turkey’s defense - instead, it should begin proceedings immediately to determine if the lengthy and growing list of Turkish transgressions against the West, including its support for Islamic terrorists, have merit. And if they do - and they most certainly do - the Alliance’s supreme decision-making body, the North Atlantic Council, should formally oust Turkey from NATO for good before its belligerence and continual aggression drags the international community into World War III.
This is an action that is long overdue.
Erdogan, who is Islamist to the core, who once famously declared that “the mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers”, seems to see himself as the Islamic leader of a post-Arab-Spring Muslim world.
The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Turkey’s latest efforts to expand its influence as part of its neo-imperial ambitions in the region at the expense of human life and human rights. If Turkey’s attacks are not stopped, the world can expect that this country, with a long track record of human rights abuses, will continue expanding its influence throughout the region.
The attacks are also a continuation of a history of terror that Armenians have suffered for more than a century. Long before the genocide of 1915...
The conflict threatens to destabilize the region, with effects from Russia to Iran and beyond. And Turkey’s involvement threatens to escalate the conflict further. Turkey continues to commit internal and external human rights abuses, and to play a role in destabilizing other countries such as Syria, Libya, and Iraq, or areas like the Mediterranean, and now the Caucasus. Observers believe that Turkey is in Azerbaijan to stay, regardless of the results of the current war, as part of its neo-Ottoman (Erdogan's pet-project) vision of extending influence to Turkic speaking countries from Central Asia to China.
And yes, there are ISIS-Turkish-backed militia men in Nagorno:
France: Turkey Has Sent 300 ISIS Fighters to Azerbaijan - HS Today
French President Emmanuel Macron, speaking at a European Union summit in Brussels, has demanded that Turkey explain why it has transferred Syrian Islamist militants through Turkey into the Nagorno Karabakh (NK) conflict zone bordering Azerbaijan.
www.hstoday.us
France: Turkey Has Sent 300 ISIS Fighters to Azerbaijan
Turkey dispatched hundreds of ISIS fighters to support their ally Azerbaijan in the fight with Armenia over disputed territory in the NK zone.
sofrep.com
Syrian fighters confirm Turkey sending rebels to aid Azerbaijan | The National
Armenia accused Ankara of providing manpower, drones and warplanes – a claim Azerbaijan denied
www.thenationalnews.com
Syrian rebel fighters prepare to deploy to Azerbaijan in sign of Turkey’s ambition
Volunteers in last rebel stronghold claim a Turkish private firm is signing up fighters
Turkey sends former ISIL commander to lead Azerbaijan's fight against Armenia: report
Sayf Balud first appeared in an ISIS propaganda video in July 2013, after failing to rise through the ranks of the Abu Bakr Sadiq Brigades Syrian rebel faction
Evidence Syrian fighters traveled through Turkey to fight Armenia: France’s Macron
French President Emmanuel Macron said Thursday Syrian extremist fighters were operating in Nagorny Karabakh, where Armenia and Azerbaijan are engaged in
Why Syrians are joining Turkey in Nagorno-Karabakh clash
Al-Monitor spoke with Syrian opposition fighters who joined the fight in Azerbaijan. Here is what they had to say.
Syrian mercenaries sustain Turkey's foreign policy – DW – 09/30/2020
Some say they're former opposition fighters, others say they're refugees looking for a paycheck. One thing is clear: Turkey's Syrian mercenaries have formed an integral part of the country's foreign policy ambitions.
www.dw.com
Are Syrian Mercenaries Helping Azerbaijan Fight For Nagorno-Karabakh?
Reports of Syrian mercenaries in Azerbaijan have fueled a bitter debate as Baku's battle against Armenian forces for control of Nagorno-Karabakh continues.
www.rferl.org
The Role of Foreign Fighters in the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict | ISPI
Leggi l'articolo The Role of Foreign Fighters in the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict sul sito dell'ISPI.
www.ispionline.it
Russia warns that Nagorno-Karabakh could become Islamist militant stronghold
The Kremlin issued a new appeal for an end to hostilities in and around Nagorno-Karabakh on Tuesday after Moscow's foreign intelligence chief said the mountain enclave could become a launch pad for Islamist militants to enter Russia.
www.reuters.com
And even back in 2014:
Azerbaijan Assesses the Growing Threat of ISIS
Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the former Soviet Republic engaged in a protracted war with neighboring Armenia over
sofrep.com
But I guess "it's not true until Great Sultan says it is".
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Since the last October op against America's dicksuckers in N Syria, Turkey stockpiled the living shiet out of parts necessary to build enough TB2's for the next few years. Ukraine already confirmed there will be joint production of several things including engines. There are also talks/projects of building Turkish UCAV's and Naval vessels in Ukraine jointly. I believe the Ukrainian President already confirmed Turkey and Ukraine will start jointly producing Corvettes, UCAV's, engines and SAM systems.
Simply put, Ukraine will make suppliers from NATO countries irrelevant over the coming years.
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NATO is an anachronism and Ankara's membership even more so. Today, Turkey undermines U.S. and European security.
Ankara attempted to drag the U.S. into the conflict against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad while accommodating ISIS as it conquered territory and terrorized captive residents.
Turkey probably would not even qualify for alliance membership today. It is engulfed in multiple conflicts largely of its own making. The extraordinarily brutal military campaign in the 1980s and 1990s against the large Kurdish minority could have induced Western intervention had the culprit not been a member of NATO. Now the conflict burns anew.
Moreover, early in the civil war the Erdogan government backed the ouster of Assad and attempted to drag the U.S. into the horrid imbroglio. The Turkish government also aided the rise of ISIS by turning a blind eye to the latter's cross-border activities, a decision which backfired badly after the group launched attacks.
At the same time, Turkey no longer meets the democracy and human rights standards for new members. In fact, Secretary of State John Kerry warned Ankara against moving away from the alliance's "requirement with respect to democracy" in the aftermath of the coup.
NATO was willing to overlook such blemishes in the past, but today's descent to authoritarianism is much harder to accept. In fact, the regime is distancing itself from the West.
The collapse of Turkish democracy is a tragedy for Turkey's citizens and a problem for other nations. Turkey's voluntary departure from NATO would best serve America's and Europe's interests.
NATO shouldn’t come to Turkey’s defense - instead, it should begin proceedings immediately to determine if the lengthy and growing list of Turkish transgressions against the West, including its support for Islamic terrorists, have merit. And if they do - and they most certainly do - the Alliance’s supreme decision-making body, the North Atlantic Council, should formally oust Turkey from NATO for good before its belligerence and continual aggression drags the international community into World War III.
This is an action that is long overdue.
Erdogan, who is Islamist to the core, who once famously declared that “the mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers”, seems to see himself as the Islamic leader of a post-Arab-Spring Muslim world.
The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is part of Turkey’s latest efforts to expand its influence as part of its neo-imperial ambitions in the region at the expense of human life and human rights. If Turkey’s attacks are not stopped, the world can expect that this country, with a long track record of human rights abuses, will continue expanding its influence throughout the region.
The attacks are also a continuation of a history of terror that Armenians have suffered for more than a century. Long before the genocide of 1915...
The conflict threatens to destabilize the region, with effects from Russia to Iran and beyond. And Turkey’s involvement threatens to escalate the conflict further. Turkey continues to commit internal and external human rights abuses, and to play a role in destabilizing other countries such as Syria, Libya, and Iraq, or areas like the Mediterranean, and now the Caucasus. Observers believe that Turkey is in Azerbaijan to stay, regardless of the results of the current war, as part of its neo-Ottoman (Erdogan's pet-project) vision of extending influence to Turkic speaking countries from Central Asia to China.
And yes, there are ISIS-Turkish-backed militia men in Nagorno:
France: Turkey Has Sent 300 ISIS Fighters to Azerbaijan - HS Today
French President Emmanuel Macron, speaking at a European Union summit in Brussels, has demanded that Turkey explain why it has transferred Syrian Islamist militants through Turkey into the Nagorno Karabakh (NK) conflict zone bordering Azerbaijan.France: Turkey Has Sent 300 ISIS Fighters to Azerbaijan
Turkey dispatched hundreds of ISIS fighters to support their ally Azerbaijan in the fight with Armenia over disputed territory in the NK zone.Syrian fighters confirm Turkey sending rebels to aid Azerbaijan | The National
Armenia accused Ankara of providing manpower, drones and warplanes – a claim Azerbaijan denied
Claims and facts are different.
Macron CLAIMED he had proof of your ship Courbet being harassed by Turkish Navy in East Med. And NATO shut that down real quick. All of your links are CLAIMS.
I do not know how many times I have to tell you that claims and documented proof are two very different things.
Israel and Russia CLAIMED Turkey took oil from ISIS and cooperated with ISIS.
Turkey DOCUMENTED the largest anti ISIS military op taken on by a single NATO country.
Turkey DOCUMENTED the single largest aerial operation against ISIS of any NATO country, with just one wave consisting of 70 F-16's
The Russians SAID Turkey treated IS militants in hospitals.
Turkey DOCUMENTED the treatment of Kurdish terrorists injured while fighting ISIS.
France SAID the Turkish Navy provoked one of their ships.
Turkey showed DOCUMENTATION to NATO on how incompetent the French Navy was and the French had a hissy fit over something they themselves caused and pulled from a NATO mission.
You remember the incident in October 2019 when the US CLAIMED Turkish artillery hit US military positions in Northern Syria? How come nothing came out of it? Could it be that Turkey DOCUMENTED Kurds were using American grids to hit Turkish positions? Because for some reason, there is no news about it anymore.
Turkey might be getting arms embargo's because of political decisions, but Turkish military operations are not in any legal trouble because Turkey already knows everybody is waiting for some chance to accuse them of doing something illegal. Everything Turkey does is documented and ready to be defended on any legal platform.
Why is it okay for France to meddle in Cyprus? Its not a guarantor. Why is France in Iraq or Syria?
Why is France supporting Armenia? Isn't the Minsk group supposed to be neutral?
Why is France in the Aegean?
How come France isn't protesting Russian presence in Libya?
Why are there more French citizens in ISIS than Turkish citizens? Why does the Turkish border guard have to waste time deporting so many arab frogs back to France?
Why is France so concerned with Egypt's well being?
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Sorry for this OT but by no means Ukraine can replace suppliers from NATO countries. Most of Turkey defense product is based on components from NATO countries ( OtoMelara 76mm/40mm naval gun, RAM air defense systems, Renk and MTU naval engines, torpedo systems, helicopter engines, etc. etc.) that Ukraine cannot replace, as they have no such products in offer or if have they are obsolete and out of active production. At same time Ukraine have lack of money for big defense projects (and Turkey will have less and less money also).
And i am very skeptical that they will jeopardize their relations with France, USA Germani Canada because Turkey.
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Lots of Turkish-pov, one sided, and unrelated whataboutism there.
Care to explain, also, why are Turks, in France, organizing punitive expeditions against Armenians?
Yesterday night, several hundreds of Turks roamed the street of Vienne looking for Armenians to beat down...
As far as France is concerned, we are not sponsoring terrorism, nor facilitating terrorism, nor are we calling for war and/or trying to involve foreign nations into some fantasy land-grab in order to revive some vain-glory.
Oh and we also don't get all butthurt over cartoons...
Oh and we are friends with Armenians, with also recognize the fact that Turkey conducted the Armenian genocide.
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