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[morris]

Azerbaijan uses unmanned AN-2 as bombers.

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[morris]

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard calls for US to work with allies in removing Turkey from NATO

Several of the respective resolution’s clauses address Turkey’s hostility and aggression against Armenians…

news.am

In a resolution introduced last week condemning Turkey's attacks on American forces and citing Ankara's ongoing support for terrorists, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard called for the U.S. to work with allies in removing Turkey from NATO

 

[Mike1976]

citing Ankara's ongoing support for terrorists

By that standard after supporting every "moderate" group claiming to be fighting Assad just about every NATO member should be kicked out of NATO ...

As I already mentioned in other threads Turkey has to agree to be kicked out of NATO as do all other members, and Erdogan isn't completely stupid. There is no provision in the NATO charter to remove non-compliant/hostile member states.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard calls for US to work with allies in removing Turkey from NATO

Several of the respective resolution’s clauses address Turkey’s hostility and aggression against Armenians…

news.am

In a resolution introduced last week condemning Turkey's attacks on American forces and citing Ankara's ongoing support for terrorists, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard called for the U.S. to work with allies in removing Turkey from NATO

Yes please!

 

[BravoZulu]

Turkey’s military exports to its ally Azerbaijan have risen six-fold before fighting broke out over the Nagorno-Karabakh region, according to figures by the Turkish Exporters’ Assembly.

The figures show Azerbaijan bought $123 million in defence and aviation equipment from Turkey this year. Most of the purchases arrived were after July. The data shows that sales jumped from $278,880 in the month of July to $36 million in the month of August, and $77.1 million in just September.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...efore-nagorno-karabakh-fighting-idUSKBN26Z237

 

[tomthounaojam]

Turkey’s military exports to its ally Azerbaijan have risen six-fold before fighting broke out over the Nagorno-Karabakh region, according to figures by the Turkish Exporters’ Assembly.

The figures show Azerbaijan bought $123 million in defence and aviation equipment from Turkey this year. Most of the purchases arrived were after July. The data shows that sales jumped from $278,880 in the month of July to $36 million in the month of August, and $77.1 million in just September.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...efore-nagorno-karabakh-fighting-idUSKBN26Z237

Basically, Ottoman was supplying weapons in knowing what was coming in the last week of September.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

And then, just a few months after, b00m! There is a war.

It's like... divine providence or something.

 

[thanamestolga]

You folks do realize they clashed earlier this year, in July, right? lol

You could easily say this was in preparation for September, but you could just as easily say it was a purchase made following the clashes in July. Don't be simpletons, especially you Benny I know you have a hard on for Turkey but point your erection elsewhere, or at least if you are going to continue doing it don't make yourself look dumb wagging that thing around in the process.

 

[thanamestolga]

Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard calls for US to work with allies in removing Turkey from NATO

Several of the respective resolution’s clauses address Turkey’s hostility and aggression against Armenians…

news.am

In a resolution introduced last week condemning Turkey's attacks on American forces and citing Ankara's ongoing support for terrorists, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard called for the U.S. to work with allies in removing Turkey from NATO

I find it sad and pathetic that some groups of people rest their hope on a pog congresswoman who tried to use her uniform as a campaign ad and considered Kuwait as an actual deployment talking to the diaspora lobby group of a non NATO country to kick a NATO member who has possibly the highest operational readiness/combat proven military behind the US within the alliance. If this is all some of you have to cling for, you are in for a very very deep disappointment.

NATO members cannot be kicked. They can leave on their own or as an alternative the whole alliance just dissolves and by extension everyone essentially gets kicked out. And who is going to fill the gap if Turkey goes? Who has the operational equipment, the numbers, the money to fill the void Turkey leaves behind in NATO?

If anything the incompetence and villager like behavior of certain NATO members has somewhat rejuvenated Turkish role in NATO over the past year. What with the froggies and their MS Courbet throwing tantrums in Brussels after having evidence of their stupidity thrown in their faces during the investigation they themselves asked for.

 

[Junglejim]

Why would you even want to be in an alliance that doesnt want you? Just pull out.

 

[Musashi]

It looks like the Azeris have made some serious progress in the south. They took Zagilan that is about 10km from the Armenian border.
The Armenians showed some photos of the optics recovered from a downed Bayraktar TB2.

Баграмян 26

Турецкий беспилотник "Байрактар" 31 час работал в небе над Карабахом и успешно был сбит местным ПВО @Bagramyan26

t.me

Anyway, the optics is Canadian-made , but Canada biatchlisted Turkey a few days ago.

 

[Musashi]

Yes please!

Turkey is located in a strategic place, where the U.S.A. do not have too many allies, so it's not going to happen.
Another good examples are Pakistan and the KSA. The Americans don't support them out of love, but they still do it.

 

[Musashi]

Basically, Ottoman was supplying weapons in knowing what was coming in the last week of September.

I'm a kind of pro-Armenian, but Azerbaijan is not on any sh1tlist, so everybody can export weapons there.
It was done by Israel, Russia and Belarus. The last two are the official Armenia's allies. It did not stop them from exporting weapons to Azerbaijan. Belarus keeps supplying the Azeris with rockets for the Polonez MLRS.

You cannot blame Turkey for being Turkey. Its behaviour is predictable and expectable. Let's say, Poland and the Ottoman Empire used to be big enemies a few hundreds of years ago, but there has always been a mutual respect between us. Even if somebody is your opponent, it should not stop you from analysing his behaviour and predicting his actions.

My analysis is very clear: Turkey has a lot of economic problems and prints a lot of money. Erdo kicked out the major boss of the Central Turkish Bank, or whatever that position is called, as the latter did not agree with Erdo's policy of phucking up the economy even more. The sultan appointed his personal pooddle, so the latter does whatever Erdo wants.

In order to distract the population from the economic problems, the sultan tries to make Turkey great again (MTGA TM). That's the shortest story.

 

[Jake84]

Americans have Israel at least and some dodgy friends like KSA and to an extent the Gulf States. Just like us Euros, can’t blame Americans only for their strange war and bed fellows. Uhh, there’s also economic reasons for having such friends, it’s too bad when the political, religious aspects come into play.

I can see Tolga’s need to defend a bit his own country and stand his ground, though. Turkey, along with Lebanon (Hezbollahs neighborhood aside) is one of the rare « democracy » for what is left of it in the Middle East, and it’s a bit OTT to depict them as all Islamist fanatics. The Erdogan supporters, and him, himself are despicable. He can take his threats and shove it up his butt; but I believe that the 3-4 millions Syrians and all refugees in the south near the war zone borders made Turks vote, elect this dingus president, alas for the Europeans.

 

[thanamestolga]

Why would you even want to be in an alliance that doesnt want you? Just pull out.

According to whom are we not wanted? NATO is a military alliance, not a political one where lesser people and politicians dictate who stays and who goes. If anybody has issues with Turkish military interventionism they can head to one of the several fronts Turkey has opened to express their displeasure before getting buttfuked with NATO watching from the sidelines. Everything else is hot air and speculation.

 

[Fluff]

I think you need to consider Nato/Nato members have 2 views of Turkey.

NATO - Turkey is a physical buffer, against all the hotheads in the ME. I would say Turkey does a pretty good job of this. Overall Nato supports Turkey in this task.

Nato members, take a different view, when it comes to some of the 'adventures' embarked upon. I would add some of those adventures stem from idiotic involvement of western countries i.e. Libya etc etc. We just drop a few bombs and a liberal democracy will appear before us....wait why are the tribes beheading each other......

Of course it 'upsets' the liberals to see Leo2 supplied to act as the buffer, then used on an adventure. But really how else was it going to be used.

Syria, is a total mess, and is on Turkey's doorstep, the yanks fannied about for a bit, and the Ruskis got involved. For Turkey to steer through that s**tstorm is pretty good.

So is Turkey perfect, no, its politics look a bit roppy, but eventually Erdogan will die, and someone else will step up.

 

[musti]

.In order to distract the population from the economic problems, the sultan tries to make Turkey great again (MTGA TM). That's the shortest story.

Azerbaijan is not colony of Turkey and not ruled by RTE. Yes naturally Turkish nation and Turkey is side of Azerbijan but Turkiye hasnt fired single bullet to Armenia by now.

Ah. There is no tiny contrubution to RTE of this war coz no direct gain for Turkey and his party.

As you know according to international law " Armenia is invader of Azerbaijan lands "and hasnt given it back peacefully since 1993.

"United Nations Security Council Resolution 62/243"

l dont like to repeat it but this is truth.

Contrary Armenia avoided all kind of peacefull negotatiaions and armed Karabagh like Korean DMZ.

No country in the world recognises Armenian invasion of Karabagh even closest allies Russia France and Iran .

This conflict has no connection or direct inducement with Turkish internal or international politics.

 

[Fluff]

Azerbaijan is not colony of Turkey and not ruled by RTE. Yes naturally Turkish nation and Turkey is side of Azerbijan but Turkiye hasnt fired single bullet to Armenia by now.

Ah. There is no tiny contrubution to RTE of this war coz no direct gain for Turkey and his party.

As you know according to international law " Armenia is invader of Azerbaijan lands "and hasnt given it back peacefully since 1993.

"United Nations Security Council Resolution 884"

l dont like to repeat it but this is truth.

Contrary Armenia avoided all kind of peacefull negotatiaions and armed Karabagh like Korean DMZ.

No country in the world recognises Armenian invasion of Karabagh even closest allies Russia France and Iran .

This conflict has no connection or direct inducement with Turkish internal or international politics.

Given the relative sizes of Armenian and Azerbijan, probably Azerbijan doesnt need overt military support. Resupply, some technical advisors, maybe some doctors etc from Turkey.

Assuming Azerbijan has given assurances it wont push on into Armenia proper. Other countries are going to keep clear. This is a prolongation of the wars following the failure of the USSR.

Maybe the azeris really mean they are going for a long slow war, to retake NK area. This might explain their rather poor start, when most 'western' wars feature 'blitzkreig' as the main point.

It might help the azeris if they made some proposals on the people that live in NK.

If Turkey does give some modest support, I would expect Erdogan to claim some credits.

 

[BCNTM]

Turkey’s military exports to its ally Azerbaijan have risen six-fold before fighting broke out over the Nagorno-Karabakh region, according to figures by the Turkish Exporters’ Assembly.

The figures show Azerbaijan bought $123 million in defence and aviation equipment from Turkey this year. Most of the purchases arrived were after July. The data shows that sales jumped from $278,880 in the month of July to $36 million in the month of August, and $77.1 million in just September.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...efore-nagorno-karabakh-fighting-idUSKBN26Z237

with how weak the Turkish currency is they will have got a lot of bang for their bucks

 

[Fish&Chips]

Turkey is located in a strategic place, where the U.S.A. do not have too many allies, so it's not going to happen.

This. Not to mention that Turkey controls the access to the Black Sea where NATO has two member states (Bulgaria, Romania).