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[Fluff]

This. Not to mention that Turkey controls the access to the Black Sea where NATO has two member states (Bulgaria, Romania).

Correct, Turkey would have to go full Khmer Rouge or something, before USA would pull the plug...

In reality, erdogan has the eye for a soundbite, but he cant project very far, he builds up a good sized forces, for the country, and uses it a little bit in some places.

 

[Ivan le Fou]

Correct, Turkey would have to go full Khmer Rouge or something, before USA would pull the plug...

In reality, erdogan has the eye for a soundbite, but he cant project very far, he builds up a good sized forces, for the country, and uses it a little bit in some places.

He may not be able to project very, but far enough to impact anybody he wants to pressure/threaten/blackmail/etc...

 

[Musashi]

Azerbaijan is not colony of Turkey and not ruled by RTE. Yes naturally Turkish nation and Turkey is side of Azerbijan but Turkiye hasnt fired single bullet to Armenia by now.

I don't mean just one particular country, but the policy as a whole. Turkey confronts the Kurds, al-Asshat, Russia, the KSA, Greece, France, the alternative government in Libya, Armenia, Egypt and Cyprus, to name but a few. To put it simply, Turkey has become very active recently.

 

[BCNTM]

I don't mean just one particular country, but the policy as a whole. Turkey confronts the Kurds, al-Asshat, Russia, the KSA, Greece, France, the alternative government in Libya, Armenia, Egypt and Cyprus, to name but a few. To put it simply, Turkey has become very active recently.

Detracts from the political and economic issues they have at home - there is a lot of it about

 

[Jake84]

Detracts from the political and economic issues they have at home - there is a lot of it about

Almost sounds like the US or France. Fight terror abroad and let the roots of BLM/thugs or Islamist fanatics grow on your soil.

 

[Musashi]

This. Not to mention that Turkey controls the access to the Black Sea where NATO has two member states (Bulgaria, Romania).

There's one more thing. If you push the Turks too much, they can take an alternative course and start cooperating with Russia and Iran more closely. It would not be very wise to have a country of Turkey's size and strength doing something against us and showing us "in your face" attitude. Turkey is a specific country that does not take any sh1t.

Detracts from the political and economic issues they have at home - there is a lot of it about

That's exactly what I wrote a few hours ago.

 

[Dercius]

IMHO Turkey have the luxury to choose its bedfellows..... many other NATO members..... not so much.... (looking at the Russians everywhere syndrome Crew, Balkans Neverending Royal Rumble, etc...). Maybe thats why (combined with its History) it raises at times unjustified criticism when not outright hate ((other times the criticism is completely justified, and even the hate can be understood)).

Turkey can play its hand with its partners to a certain extent, be it the US, Russia, Israel, France, Germany, UK, China without fearing to fall out of grace with anyone because of its strategic situation, capabilities, power projection in the ME + Caucasus + Eastern Med + Black Sea areas, etc..... Turkey can play its lovers to a certain extent and get some sweet sweet deals in exchange of mere promises and hopes, most of times. Cmon guys, is the same game Turkey played soooo well back in WW2, gettin good deals and goodies from every goddamned side without moving a finger.

The bad thing from my point of view, is that they can also get away with tons of BS, anyone else would get its arse handed to him by any of the big guys if not for its privileged position (Remember Irak 1990, Georgia 2008??). That trait combined with Erdogan political vision is just asking for trouble down the road IMO.... But that is just another story.

Im going to be clear about certain things. I dont like how Turkey is playing its hand in Syria & Libia, + Erdogan Neo Sultan Silky Robes Boogaloo, period.
But that doesnt prevent me from seeing clearly that they wouldnt have any hand to play there at all if not for the likes of France, Italy, UK, US in the Lybian scenario, and the whole "Assad must go" Nato+friends Bandwagon in the Syrian Scenario. I can call Turkey´s wrongdoings there, but at least IMHO they wouldnt have ever took place if not for the actions of other Nations willfuly forgotten by many when denouncing Turkey.

I would rather had a Kemalist Turkey than an Erdoganist one, but thats just me.

Seriously guys, you need to see the scenarios from the point of view of the different players and take history into account. That way, everything makes much more sense.

We are not Teenagers anymore to blindfully buy the stupid propaganda without calling and denouncing the smoke and mirrors.

Just my 2c

 

[morris]

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[morris]

French Senator prepares proposal to recognise Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

French lawmaker says she will submit a proposal to the Senate to recognise the self-proclaimed Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, where a confrontation between Azerbaijan and Armenia has been going on

www.business-standard.com

 

[Chazman]

IMHO Turkey have the luxury to choose its bedfellows..... many other NATO members..... not so much.... (looking at the Russians everywhere syndrome Crew, Balkans Neverending Royal Rumble, etc...). Maybe thats why (combined with its History) it raises at times unjustified criticism when not outright hate ((other times the criticism is completely justified, and even the hate can be understood)).

Turkey can play its hand with its partners to a certain extent, be it the US, Russia, Israel, France, Germany, UK, China without fearing to fall out of grace with anyone because of its strategic situation, capabilities, power projection in the ME + Caucasus + Eastern Med + Black Sea areas, etc..... Turkey can play its lovers to a certain extent and get some sweet sweet deals in exchange of mere promises and hopes, most of times. Cmon guys, is the same game Turkey played soooo well back in WW2, gettin good deals and goodies from every goddamned side without moving a finger.

The bad thing from my point of view, is that they can also get away with tons of BS, anyone else would get its arse handed to him by any of the big guys if not for its privileged position (Remember Irak 1990, Georgia 2008??). That trait combined with Erdogan political vision is just asking for trouble down the road IMO.... But that is just another story.

Im going to be clear about certain things. I dont like how Turkey is playing its hand in Syria & Libia, + Erdogan Neo Sultan Silky Robes Boogaloo, period.
But that doesnt prevent me from seeing clearly that they wouldnt have any hand to play there at all if not for the likes of France, Italy, UK, US in the Lybian scenario, and the whole "Assad must go" Nato+friends Bandwagon in the Syrian Scenario. I can call Turkey´s wrongdoings there, but at least IMHO they wouldnt have ever took place if not for the actions of other Nations willfuly forgotten by many when denouncing Turkey.

I would rather had a Kemalist Turkey than an Erdoganist one, but thats just me.

Seriously guys, you need to see the scenarios from the point of view of the different players and take history into account. That way, everything makes much more sense.

We are not Teenagers anymore to blindfully buy the stupid propaganda without calling and denouncing the smoke and mirrors.

Just my 2c

Yup, pretty much. Erdogan's Turkey seeks influence and power in it's neighborhood through intimidation and money. That will only take you so far, as neighbors get their fill of all the drama and start to push back.

 

[thanamestolga]

He may not be able to project very, but far enough to impact anybody he wants to pressure/threaten/blackmail/etc...

What did everybody expect exactly? Everyone and their mother is going to meddle in matters that are right under Turkey's nose, and there would be no retaliation?

If you're Armenian and you sympathize with PKK, you shouldn't be shocked that Turkey will provide Azerbaijan with all the munitions and equipment it needs to poke you back in Karabakh.

If you're French and thought meddling in Aegean, East Med and Syria was a good idea, you might just have to deal with Turks setting up shop in Central Med.

Same goes for Egypt. If you're Egyptian and decide to support "the local government" in Syria, well it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the Turks might suddenly decide to support "the local government" in Libya.

If you're UAE and think its wise to finance and support everybody that opposes Turkey in the region, well you might end up with a massive Turkish base in Qatar and your equipment blowing up left and right across the continents.

This is the whole game, if you're going to get upset, don't play. And get back to the topic at hand, Azerbaijan.

 

[Dercius]

Potential troubles ahead.

As per some reports Russian Troops deployed inside Armenian territory, close to the border with Artsakh. This troops are deployed from the Russian base inside Armenia.

Azerbaijani Drone operators better take care who they target, and where, as this kind of "mistake" could have implications far and wide.

Could also be the perfect scenario for a false flag attack, if the Armenians get that desperate in order to carry such a stunt. They have plenty of drone debriss to tamper with the scene. Dunno if they managed to get their hands on any semi operational Azerbaijani drone brought down with jamming/EW. Havent come accross such info/vid.

Hopefully nothing will happen. But big boys are maneuvering

Also Armenian and Azerbaijani foreign ministers set to meet with Pompeo this Friday.

 

[morris]

As per some reports Russian Troops deployed inside Armenian territory, close to the border with Artsakh. This troops are deployed from the Russian base inside Armenia.

They are observers

Russian federation council already named conditions under which they would sent their military to fight.

 

[Kadir93]

Another military equipments both left by the Armenians on the battlefield while fleeing and destroyed by the units of the Azerbaijan Army

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[musti]

French Senator prepares proposal to recognise Nagorno-Karabakh Republic

French lawmaker says she will submit a proposal to the Senate to recognise the self-proclaimed Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh, where a confrontation between Azerbaijan and Armenia has been going on

www.business-standard.com

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this would be advocating doublestandart for expansionist policies .

According to official UN resolution ,Armenia is invader of Karabakh and massive local Azerbaijan population exiled from Karabakh and 610 civilians massacred in Khojaly/Karabakh in 1993 by Armenia.


ıf US or France recognise defacto invader in Karabakh , this will not be more to boost destablisation of the region which is also very problematic.

 

[Fluff]

It seesm US and French



this would be advocating doublestandart for expansionist policies .

According to official UN resolution ,Armenia is invader of Karabakh and massive local Azerbaijan population exiled from Karabakh and 610 civilians massacred in Khojaly/Karabakh in 1993 by Armenia.


ıf US or France recognise defacto invader in Karabakh , this will not be more to boost destablisation of the region which is also very problematic.

It would clearly create a very small country, and there must be lots of regions wanting independence from their country, even parts of UK want to split off...

For Scotland, I say give them independence, then invade them.....

 

[ao_sepia]

armenia lost more tanks,apc,trucks by captured!

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Syrian mercenaries, basically means Turkish supplied troops.

The situation is more complicated. For example, if someone joins the Turks, his family will receive citizenship, etc. Unfortunately, I only have a writing in Hungarian about this now.

 

[Kadir93]

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[ao_sepia]

It would clearly create a very small country, and there must be lots of regions wanting independence from their country, even parts of UK want to split off...

For Scotland, I say give them independence, then invade them.....

if independence nagorno-karabakh must independence for northen cyprus,northen irag,northen syria,some yemen,northen libya.new ottaman turk and kalifa erdogan in invaded they all less reasons and he isn't independence all!