Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[Chazman]

Let's see how this goes. If OPEC agrees, this will do far more than all the crying and sniveling around here.

PS: Europe, stop sending money to Putin.

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[Fluff]

Let's see how this goes. If OPEC agrees, this will do far more than all the crying and sniveling around here.

PS: Europe, stop sending money to Putin.

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Ooh, I wonder if dumb old trump maybe under the table asked the aarabs to pump baby pump.

2 reasons.

1. Trump is going to impose sanctions on anyone buying Russian oil. No more merican pickups for you!
2. More oil means lower income for Russia.
3. The sanctions will effectively cut off Russian oil from the market, so other oil will be needed, to prevent too much of a price spike.

Note northern hemisphere now heading to summer, so low gas demand.

Man trump is dumb.

 

[Chazman]

Ooh, I wonder if dumb old trump maybe under the table asked the aarabs to pump baby pump.

2 reasons.

1. Trump is going to impose sanctions on anyone buying Russian oil. No more merican pickups for you!
2. More oil means lower income for Russia.
3. The sanctions will effectively cut off Russian oil from the market, so other oil will be needed, to prevent too much of a price spike.

Note northern hemisphere now heading to summer, so low gas demand.

Man trump is dumb.

Yes, what a dummy. If only Trump would stop c0ckblocking the fearless EU from planting the 12 star flag in the Kremlin.


Wouldn't that be something if Trump's secondary sanctions on Russian oil hit Europe. Oh, the irony!

 

[Fluff]

Yes, what a dummy. If only Trump would stop c0ckblocking the fearless EU from planting the 12 star flag in the Kremlin.


Wouldn't that be something if Trump's secondary sanctions on Russian oil hit Europe. Oh, the irony!

I’m sure they will, and he’s probably warned them, and offered USA and Arab oil to cover it.

Probably also told putin.

I think with trump he is using the threat, not the actual action. Like the trade tariffs, 30 days notice, come make a deal. So putin has possibly been given a quiet warning, and as it’s not actual sanctions on russia, there isn’t much he can do about it.

 

[thelistener]

Nobody is suggesting that Europe immediately cut off all Russian gas imports. However, said money to Putin should be mitigated by more money towards Ukraine. But of course Europe is not doing as such.
Instead Europe chooses to incessantly complain about perceived Russian biases by the Trump administration during peace talks.

It’s hypocrisy of the highest order.

I dont know how you calculate EU financial and military aid but EU as a whole purchased 23 billion worth of energy imports last year. Only 3 % (from 26 %) of oil comes from Russia (at least directly) and 13 % gas (from 45 %)
And now is EU banning gas imports totally by 2027.

From that 23 billion, Hungary alone bought 4,68 billion worth.

On your article (newsweek) it says quote:
27-member EU bloc bought around 21.9 billion euros ($23.5 billion) in fossil fuels from Russia in 2024.
This is higher than the 18.7 billion euros ($20 billion) it said that the EU had allocated to Ukraine in financial aid in the same period

Ok. so if you account military aid on top of the financial aid from that same time period, what then?

I don't like it neither, but i know you're not arguing in good faith about this.

As previously stated, Europe liked Biden’s ‘bleed Russia’ policy because it weakened Russia and the U.S. did the heavy lifting.
But now that Europe needs to step up more for its own security, it’s complain, complain, complain…..
Considering, perhaps Russia really isn't the existential threat Europe claims it is.

Thats according to you.
Speaking about Europe as a whole again; as if for example Spain's stance towards Russia is more relevant than eastern europe's on this matter, of Russia being a existential threat. Again you're implying that maybe Russia is just misunderstood and treated badly by the west.

 

[Chazman]

I’m sure they will, and he’s probably warned them, and offered USA and Arab oil to cover it.

Probably also told putin.

I think with trump he is using the threat, not the actual action. Like the trade tariffs, 30 days notice, come make a deal. So putin has possibly been given a quiet warning, and as it’s not actual sanctions on russia, there isn’t much he can do about it.

I probably mentioned this several pages back.....


The idea that Trump is sitting next to the Saudi Prince in Riyadh, while being questioned about no-show Putin at the meeting he put together, and people thinking that Trump simply figures, "Oh well, that rascal Vladimir", don't really know the time of day.

 

[primer]

He gets on well with them due to common foe and has them pump more oil. Has Putin supply low cost fuel so both together its all getting harder to drill baby drill with lower barrel prices but the US frackers improvement in the scheme is shipping great quantities of gas to the EU and they don't have an extortionist for a supplier. We can thank Iran for this.

 

[Connaught Ranger]

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[Hiryu2.0]

Russia May Have Deployed Nuclear Air-to-Air Missiles on Fighter Jets. Here’s What US Intelligence Reveals

A US intelligence report details Russia's introduction of a nuclear-armed air-to-air missile, showcasing a significant development in its military capabilities.

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[Junglejim]

Who is "they"?

They, would be the ones who want peace in Ukraine.

 

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[muck]

Regarding the "memorandum" the negotiation of which Putin and Trump have announced …

Russia's foreign ministry has made a peculiar announcement via state-owned news agency TASS. A spokesman for minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia demands the memorandum "solves the causes of the war", and that Kyiv is not to be involved in its adoption due to Zelensky being an "illegitimate president". (Source)

Here we go again … We've heard those phrases and codes before, especially their "causes".

In other words, the Russians want the memorandum to stipulate Ukraine's surrender,
the handover of all Russian-claimed territories,
the disbanding of Ukraine's army,
eternal neutrality,
a Moscow-sponsored regime change,
and a formal admission of guilt for the war by Ukraine and NATO.

Last but not least, Russia makes it a condition that Trump completely sidelines Zelensky. Well, considering he's already called Zelensky a dictator and put his legitimacy into question himself, the latter will be the easy part.

 

[Fluff]

Regarding the "memorandum" the negotiation of which Putin and Trump have announced …

Russia's foreign ministry has made a peculiar announcement via state-owned news agency TASS. A spokesman for minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia demands the memorandum "solves the causes of the war", and that Kyiv is not to be involved in its adoption due to Zelensky being an "illegitimate president". (Source)

Here we go again … We've heard those phrases and codes before, especially their "causes".

In other words, the Russians want the memorandum to stipulate Ukraine's surrender,
the handover of all Russian-claimed territories,
the disbanding of Ukraine's army,
eternal neutrality,
a Moscow-sponsored regime change,
and a formal admission of guilt for the war by Ukraine and NATO.

Last but not least, Russia makes it a condition that Trump completely sidelines Zelensky. Well, considering he's already called Zelensky a dictator and put his legitimacy into question himself, the latter will be the easy part.

Is europe going to agree to that? Ukr is currently, and will remain a buffer state, well armed and trained by NATO, one way or another.

Will Ukraine down arms for this?

Russia is being Russia. Surprised they didn’t claim ownership of the moon, and mars.

Also some is for internal consumption, Russia could get a deal, and report that it included a NATO confession.

Presumably the mediators will kick these claims into the corner,and focus on ceasefire, lines on the map etc.

As for checking presidents for legitimacy, Russia should be careful what it asks for…..

 

[muck]

Is europe going to agree to that? Ukr is currently, and will remain a buffer state, well armed and trained by NATO, one way or another.

Russia is trying its hardest to ensure no one is going to ask us either way.

Presumably the mediators will kick these claims into the corner,and focus on ceasefire, lines on the map etc.

Maybe, but I do not take comfort in that thought.

This war isn't about lines on a map. If it was, it would already be over. I do not think Kyiv could survive the pressure both foreign and domestic to concede if the Russians were "merely" demanding territories.

As for checking presidents for legitimacy, Russia should be careful what it asks for…..

That was a throwback to Trump's taking a similar line ("dictator"), although Ukraine's constitution (being far from extraordinary in that regard) suspends all elections for the duration of a war. I reckon Russia's intention is to entice Trump to adopt their view point that Zelensky is illegitimate and that elections need to be held for actual negotiations to commence.

They'd obviously try to tilt any hypothetical election in their favour, but it's a delaying tactic more than anything else. Setting up an election, especially a fair one with at least a few days on the campaign trail, could take months under current circumstances. More than enough time to press on the offensive in the Donbas, I might add.

And you'd get some good old dividing-and-conquering. Zelensky has said he does not seek another term. So, if America also comes to demand an election he either has to renege on his word or make room for someone with less authority and popularity. Either way, Ukraine's position at the table would be compromised.

 

[Junglejim]

Russia is trying its hardest to ensure no one is going to ask us either way.
Maybe, but I do not take comfort in that thought.

This war isn't about lines on a map. If it was, it would already be over. I do not think Kyiv could survive the pressure both foreign and domestic to concede if the Russians were "merely" demanding territories.That was a throwback to Trump's taking a similar line ("dictator"), although Ukraine's constitution (being far from extraordinary in that regard) suspends all elections for the duration of a war. I reckon Russia's intention is to entice Trump to adopt their view point that Zelensky is illegitimate and that elections need to be held for actual negotiations to commence.

They'd obviously try to tilt any hypothetical election in their favour, but it's a delaying tactic more than anything else. Setting up an election, especially a fair one with at least a few days on the campaign trail, could take months under current circumstances. More than enough time to press on the offensive in the Donbas, I might add.

And you'd get some good old dividing-and-conquering. Zelensky has said he does not seek another term. So, if America also comes to demand an election he either has to renege on his word or make room for someone with less authority and popularity. Either way, Ukraine's position at the table would be compromised.

What Russia is doing, is exhausting the Ukrainians will to fight. It doent care what the west thinks just as long as the weapons upply to Ukraine is slowed toa trickle, where the Russians can survive and out will their enemy. Nothing more nothing less. This is why the Russian are warm and cold for negotiations. Just enough to keep the US from walking out and continue screwing the Ukrainian supply.

With Nokor and Chinese help, and with the US now... Russia will just have to crawl to victory. They tried to go for a quick knock out, and failed. So now it will just have to outpoint the enemy till the 12th round. So far all 3 judges are awarding them the best points.

 

[HorniePonie]

Regarding the "memorandum" the negotiation of which Putin and Trump have announced …

Russia's foreign ministry has made a peculiar announcement via state-owned news agency TASS. A spokesman for minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia demands the memorandum "solves the causes of the war", and that Kyiv is not to be involved in its adoption due to Zelensky being an "illegitimate president". (Source)

Here we go again … We've heard those phrases and codes before, especially their "causes".

In other words, the Russians want the memorandum to stipulate Ukraine's surrender,
the handover of all Russian-claimed territories,
the disbanding of Ukraine's army,
eternal neutrality,
a Moscow-sponsored regime change,
and a formal admission of guilt for the war by Ukraine and NATO.

Last but not least, Russia makes it a condition that Trump completely sidelines Zelensky. Well, considering he's already called Zelensky a dictator and put his legitimacy into question himself, the latter will be the easy part.

Sounds like a surrender deal indeed and impossible to Ukraine to accept. I believe we would be closer to peace, if Ukraine had received enough weapons, but it would apparently be wanting "a forever war".

 

[Junglejim]

Sounds like a surrender deal indeed and impossible to Ukraine to accept. I believe we would be closer to peace, if Ukraine had received enough weapons, but it would apparently be wanting "a forever war".

This will be a forever war, somehow the US and the West is playing with the Ukrainians. How I see it is the west is using it to bleed Russia dry, the Chinese and its Nokor protectorate see's it as a way to bleed the west dry... so this war will go on forever.