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Now we are getting to it!!!! So, if that stupid, dummy, a-hole, offensive Trump doesn't succeed, NO ONE CAN REPLACE HIM!!. It took a couple pages, but you've said it. Thank You!
I hope Trump does succeed. But if he walks away, that is that it seems.
BTW, can no one answer my question? Is Europe still buying Russian oil, directly or indirectly?
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Trump insists Ukraine should be Europe's business, not America's. Morally, that is partly true.
Partly, because America wilfully made Ukraine its business with the Budapest Memorandum, having put a gun to Kyiv's head and promising to guarantee Ukraine's sovereignty in exchange for nuclear disarmament. Well: Pacta sunt servanda.
But what I find interesting is this: If Trump wants America to leave the post-war security architecture of Eurasia, why won't he kill two birds with one stone and instead of indulging Putin and playing into his hand, tells him to talk to the Europeans instead?
That would be a real blow for Putin, and actually be useful for that very reason.
Well, a possible answer might be this:
Trump (and the people around him) want to leave NATO. They know the Europeans are far less willing to make concessions to Russia. They know this entails a greater-than-zero risk of some form of confrontation between the Europeans and Russia, which might then lead to Europe invoking Article V of the NATO treaty. And since Europe dutifully answered America's call when last Article V was last invoked, America would look stupid and weak if it refused the call.
That's a benevolent interpretation. The tragedy being a "premature" peace leaving matters unresolved is already planting the seeds of the next war. And then what? If you create a divided Korea or divided Germany kind of situation, you have to back it up accordingly. If you actually interested in maintaining peace, that is.
I'm afraid the reality boils down to Putin just pressing the right buttons, though. He's stroking Trump's ego.
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Muck, please. If the Europeans were serious people, Trump would not even be involved. There is a better than 50/50 chance he ends up walking away soon and then the Europeans can have their chance. Not that they need to be given a chance, because if they were "take charge" men of action, they'd already be on it.
Are the Europeans still buying Russian oil, directly or indirectly? I've asked that several times now with no answer. Because if they are, they are not serious people.
footage of the strike of the Russian Iskander-M ballistic missile on the Ukrainian training base of the 1st separate territorial defense brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The training base for soldiers is located near the city of Shostka, Sumy region of Ukraine. The base was filmed by the Supercam S350M UAV. As reported in various media outlets, as a result of the Iskander-M missile strike, about 70 Ukrainian servicemen were killed, including instructors, an ammunition depot and vehicles were damaged.
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Despite Europe's virtue signalling and fake 'concern' over their own security, they're funding Putin's war. So you can understand why nobody is answering your question.
And these people have the gall to claim Trump is a Putin stooge.
The entire conflict is a charade.
Fact Check: Did Europe spend more on Russian oil and gas than Ukraine aid?
President Donald Trump made the claim during his address to Congress.
www.newsweek.com
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one quarter of Russian gas, oil revenue anymore still comes from Europe. Dropping still.Despite Europe's virtue signalling and fake 'concern' over their own security, they're funding Putin's war. So you can understand why nobody is answering your question.
And these people have the gall to claim Trump is a Putin stooge.
The entire conflict is a charade.
Fact Check: Did Europe spend more on Russian oil and gas than Ukraine aid?
President Donald Trump made the claim during his address to Congress.
So now we are pretending that because Europe didn't kill itself economically immediately without a withdrawal period, thus hindering Ukraine aid further its virtue signalling and a fake concern?
If it wasn't for this, you would find another reason to high horse.
You aren't interested in the answer since you could google it, you're just trying to build a straw man.
Since the EU introduced the oil price cap and sanctions on the shadow fleet, relevant Russian revenues have decreased by €38 billion. Russian revenues in March 2025 were 13.7% lower than those in March 2023 and 20.3% lower than those of March 2022.
The Council adopted today (literally today) its largest ever package targeting Putin’s shadow fleet, doubling the number of vessels included in the list of those subject to a port access ban and ban on provision of a broad range of services. 189 vessels originating from third countries were targeted today, bringing the total of designated vessels to 342.
EU and UK slap new sanctions on Russian ‘shadow fleet’ illicitly transporting oil
The European Union and Britain on Tuesday announced new sanctions on Russia that target Moscow’s “shadow fleet ” of ships used to illegally to transport oil and gas. The EU has now targeted almost 350…
www.france24.com
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Call it a high horse if you want. But I've heard enough. It's the hypocrisy, the virtue signalling, the
"oh if it wasn't for that stupid Trump holding us back" the past 100 days, (nevermind the past 3+ years) we would have crushed Putin with our tongue lashing and fake sanctions.
It's just ridiculous and like I said not serious. Trump says and does things I personally wouldn't say or do, but he is the only shot. THE ONLY SHOT. Time to become cognizant of that.
He can do what he wants but Kursk got worse when he withdrew imagery. Pulling support like that wrecked ally confidence in the US.
Was Nato the reason why Putin invaded, pretext he though Ukraine would cave. Trump keeps claiming this was the reason and its Bidens fault at the same time agrees Ukraine is the apple of his eye. Its best for Putin to take as big a chunk out of Ukraine as he can get. This seems like a reasonable request for Trump?
Was Nato the reason why Putin invaded, pretext he though Ukraine would cave. Trump keeps claiming this was the reason and its Bidens fault at the same time agrees Ukraine is the apple of his eye. Its best for Putin to take as big a chunk out of Ukraine as he can get. This seems like a reasonable request for Trump?
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Who has been saying that? Did kamala campaign that she will end the war in 24 hours? If not, why are you slashing out?
She did campaign on the "promise" that likes of Putin will eat trump for dinner. So far he hasn't proven her wrong, hopefully he will, but US stance is laxer towards Russia on this war since he took office.
And it appears that shot was a dud. I don't comprehend why shouldn't people call out bad strategy even its Trump, but should instead blindly believe that he will deliver.
All of this discussion is just because he is Trump. Macron tried to arbitrate at the start of the war and people ridiculed him on this forum, and nobody slashed out.
edit. again, i truly hope im wrong. But these past 5 months do not provide much confidence.
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I’d add, Russia wants something it can’t take.
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