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If you want peace prepare for war..attributed to the romans so applicable to the EU today
 
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According to Zelensky, the US and EU are going to impose more sanctions on Russia now. Peace negotiations are planned in the Vatican, moderated by the Pope and with Russia, Ukraine, the US and EU at the table. (Source, Source)

Well, virtually the same outcome was on the table a week ago. Let's hope Trump doesn't change his mind again.
 
Let's see what happens. It's up to Putin to find his off ramp now.......or not.
 
Let's see what happens. It's up to Putin to find his off ramp now.......or not.
This is true. Trump has brought them together, and presumably he has laid out the bad things he can do, maybe more publically with ukr, but I’d think he has threatened hard sanctions on Russia plus more weapons to ukr.

New pope now wishing he’d applied himself in science 40 years ago….
 
This is what the 3rd call now? Same script different times, I mean anybody that still believes what comes out of Trump's post about Russia is just seriously retarded. Sorry but you guys are just forcing yourselves to ignore the truth.
 
This is what the 3rd call now? Same script different times, I mean anybody that still believes what comes out of Trump's post about Russia is just seriously retarded. Sorry but you guys are just forcing yourselves to ignore the truth.
You maybe right, but it’s the best gig in town. I don’t believe trump, or pissing off trump is a zero sum game. And putin said he might compromise, whilst shaking his Parkinson’s leg, so who knows. If he really thought he was going to take Kiev in 3 days/weeks/months/years/decades, why would he even reply?
 
This is what the 3rd call now? Same script different times, I mean anybody that still believes what comes out of Trump's post about Russia is just seriously retarded. Sorry but you guys are just forcing yourselves to ignore the truth.
That's fine. Next guy up then. Any volunteers?
 
You maybe right, but it’s the best gig in town. I don’t believe trump, or pissing off trump is a zero sum game. And putin said he might compromise, whilst shaking his Parkinson’s leg, so who knows. If he really thought he was going to take Kiev in 3 days/weeks/months/years/decades, why would he even reply?
Actually, the only gig. I hope something comes of it.
 
I know he is your man and you love the guy, but you dont have to blindly defend the guy, more so believe in all the things he says, after all he is a politician.
In real life, I actually don't want Trump to give up on Peace.

But for the purposes of this forum, I'd love for him to simply walk away. Just drop the whole thing. Let the pieces fall where they may. Let's see who steps up? I'm guessing, no one. Oh, there would be some bluster and tough talk.

Until Trump, no one did jack $hit to end this war. And honestly, no one else will. You know it, and everyone in this thread knows it.
 
Let’s just see what happens. Trump has already surprised me by invoking the pope.
I’ve always believed these deals are done early on, and the rest of it is for the plebs.

The speed of putin saying he will compromise, supports this. Trump is pushing trade, presumably that’s what putin has asked for.

Now we see the horse trading.
 

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