Warfare Russia/Ukraine War

[madmax17]

This f***ing guy will believe anything that comes out of Putin's mouth.

"Ask them"? Ask who, Russians lie when they breath lol is he crazy?

 

[Musashi]

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[Picanha]

Very often I hear that the victim is Russia, as being "demonized by the mainstream media".

Clearly reasonable people you can negotiate with.

Ukraine live: Zelensky says 'dozens dead and wounded' after Russian ballistic missile strike in Sumy

Ukraine's interior minister said at least 21 people have died and 83 others injured - including 7 children.

www.bbc.com

That's a very important point everyone coming along with those "alternative" facts is a Russian asset. Doing a job for Russia here which is subversion until we are defenseless.

It works like this they use your education, manners and criticsl free thinking to prop up their points.

it mustn't even be factual or logical points the doubt is enough.

In this way they avoid hard fronts and can fight their enemy while their enemy believes some sort of respect dnd friendship still exists.

They have thousands of doubt inseeders many do it on their own because they are lost in our world and look for a saviour.

Many are controlled.

Bit they all have a little "alternative" thinking point to offer no matter how baseless it is.

The best strategists money could buy thought Ukraine was going to colapse, Russians can take alot of sufferign? Well it certainly isn't voluntary it requires windows, full control of the press and coersion by penal threats.
Problem with them after get fed up and they throw out the present authoritarian control they end up going back to it. Putler being the third iteration as it they feel the need to perfect a lifetime preformance as serfs.

Otherwise they must accept some truths which is that they are heavily controlled and oppressed. And not the West.

Better go along with what we know.

Nope. In addition to the intentional drip of weapons to Ukraine, Biden put restrictions on how these weapons could be used. Remember last year when Biden finally lifted restrictions that allowed Ukraine to strike deeper into Russia? You think the timing was just a coincidence?

The notion that the entire West wants peace is a pro-Ukraine talking point. Under the Democrats/NeoCons, we used Ukraine as a delicious tool to economically and militarily bleed Russia over time. The war prohibits Russia from starting wars elsewhere and also serves as a future deterrent.

And lets not forget the military industrial complex, Ukraine is fantastic opportunity for us to test weaponry. Perpetual war = Profit! .

Yes it sucks for Ukraine; they're getting slaughtered left and right. But it’s an effective way to neutralize Putin.

Her is an example of an absurd fact.

The last sentence sounds like directly from the propaganda ministry.

Absurd and contradicting issues combined with a reason: Wests goal is removal of Putin

Just to get this fact here not explaining the rest.

He started the war which led to hate against him not the other way round.

Also if he didn't start it there would be no alleged "wish to continue the war".

And even that we even talk about the possibility that the victim wants to continue being beaten is a huge win for their propaganda ministry.

 

[madmax17]

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He does a press conference every day, more than Biden, but what's the point if all he's doing is sputing nonsensical lies.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

No one listens to Orban the Putin puppet, his vote is not needed.

In a nutshell. Despite the daily stream of government propaganda = about the "Ukrainian war migrants eating stray dogs and cats" level, sound familiar?- about half of the pro-government voters support Ukrainian EU membership, 62% of opposition voters.
Open secret, Orban has a thick dossier on Neo_KGB. Mafia connections from the 90s onwards.
Dietmar Clodo, who was convicted as a bomb-maker in Hungary in 2002, worked for Semyon Mogilevich, the head of the Russian-speaking underworld in Budapest at the time, in the early 1990s. In this capacity, he handed over bribes to corrupt Hungarian police officers and politicians on behalf of "Uncle Seva". The article recalls allegations that the then opposition party leader Viktor Orbán was implicated in the case in 1994, before the parliamentary elections.

The handing over of the bag full of money, in this case one million German marks, was videotaped at Mogilev's request

 

[Soldier35]

Footage of Ukrainian FPV drones attacking a Russian M1989 Koksan self-propelled howitzer. The video was filmed in the Kursk region of Russia, according to some media, it was filmed in Donbass. The 170-mm M1989 Koksan self-propelled howitzer is produced in North Korea. There is still no footage of the M1989 self-propelled howitzer in action in Russia. The M1989 Koksan self-propelled howitzer was attacked by three drones while being towed. Judging by the video, the howitzer was confirmed to have been destroyed for the first time. The Russian tank with Tsar-Mangal protection was not attacked by drones.

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[Soldier35]

Russian FPV drone operators have published footage of the destruction of a camouflaged Ukrainian DANA vz. 77 self-propelled howitzer. The video was filmed in the Kharkiv region of Ukraine. The 152 mm DANA vz. 77 self-propelled howitzer was developed in 1977 in Czechoslovakia and has a firing range of up to 20 kilometers. The Ukrainian army also has a modernized version of the Dana-M2 self-propelled howitzer. As a result of the attack by the Russian FPV drone, the Ukrainian DANA vz. 77 self-propelled howitzer was completely destroyed. This is the third confirmed loss of this type of self-propelled howitzer by the Ukrainian army.

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[madmax17]

In a nutshell. Despite the daily stream of government propaganda = about the "Ukrainian war migrants eating stray dogs and cats" level, sound familiar?- about half of the pro-government voters support Ukrainian EU membership, 62% of opposition voters.
Open secret, Orban has a thick dossier on Neo_KGB. Mafia connections from the 90s onwards.
Dietmar Clodo, who was convicted as a bomb-maker in Hungary in 2002, worked for Semyon Mogilevich, the head of the Russian-speaking underworld in Budapest at the time, in the early 1990s. In this capacity, he handed over bribes to corrupt Hungarian police officers and politicians on behalf of "Uncle Seva". The article recalls allegations that the then opposition party leader Viktor Orbán was implicated in the case in 1994, before the parliamentary elections.

The handing over of the bag full of money, in this case one million German marks, was videotaped at Mogilev's request

Interesting.

 

[Chomiq]

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Immediate question should be:
"Mr President, who started this war?"

 

[Connaught Ranger]

No one listens to Orban the Putin puppet, his vote is not needed.

As it seems he can block Ukraine from getting into the EU, and has blocked EU aid before, your assumption is wrong.
I said it years ago there seems to be a plan to divide the EU, if, Hungary is put out, he will grant access to Russian Forces, Bulgaria will probably go the same way and Serbia eventually leading to Montenegro being pressured to join them, or an outright invasion thus giving ruSSia a port on the Mediterranean Coast.

 

[Picanha]

This plan exists since longer than years.

Look even here we have threads called the "EU is destroying Europe".

While Putin is good for Europe or Orban or Xi? Nobody could not be more uninterested in Europes wellbeing than those.

Yet they send out their mental drones to tell us how we profit if we follow their interests. Sadly many over here fall for that. They use the fact that many people are unsatisfied or treated unfair which is well true we are not perfect over here but this sentiment is used.

Not telling that many more have it much worse in their camp and they give a S**t about these people.

They just tell you how you are abused by your masters.

Let me think for a second who would profit from no EU and single impotent states?

 

[Picanha]

Go to the beginning of this thread to see how some people tried to instantly invoke feelings for dead Russian soldiers.

Attacking then go to the enemy camp and cry around to evoke compassion for the dead agressor.

Step one in the destabilisation playbook.

Let that think in they work your feelings to accept their crimes and even instill some sort of guilt for defending.

They are masters at it because in their world only the lie that's obvious but can't be addressed shows their power.

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Interesting.

The evil empire - that's what Viktor Orbán said about Russia in 2006. But everything changed before the 2010 elections.
2017

At a press conference on Monday, Ferenc Gyurcsány (ex-MP) claimed that he had seen the documents on corruption that Russia is using to blackmail Viktor Orbán. The Democratic Coalition leader expects Viktor Orbán to come clean or face a lawsuit within three days for these allegations, MTI reports. If the prime minister does not sue, Gyurcsány said, he will be admitting that the Russians really know about his illegal finances and are blackmailing him.

With the help of Ernő Keskeny, a former ambassador to Moscow - notoriously pro-Kremlin - Orbán, who was still in opposition at the time, had his first meeting with Putin, with whom he had an informal chat of about 15 minutes. It is still a mystery what was said there, but the anti-Russianism that had dominated Viktor Orbán and Fidesz until then disappeared. In fact, on 25 November 2009, after his return from St Petersburg, Orbán almost promised the Russians the renovation of the Paks nuclear power plant on MTV's programme Ma Reggel (Today Morning), saying that it was "a Russian-type power plant".

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Zelenskyy Says JD Vance Is ‘Somehow Justifying’ Putin’s War In Ukraine

The Ukrainian president called on Donald Trump to visit his country before engaging in any further negotiations to end the conflict.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Picanha]

He accuses Ukraine of having a hand in all of this.

This is why Zelensky challenges his views as Kremlin infused.

Vance comes from the lower classes and probably has inferiority complexes ( I don't mean as an insult but I see people often carrying these things with them all their lives and the establishment is not inclusive) and a silent hate against the establishment.

So he is the ideal candidate to work on.

Also his 180 degree turn makes you think.

 

[Mike1976]

Poland would not be tempted to take anything. The Orcs tell everybody that we would be tempted to take Lviv and now you are telling us that we would be tempted to take Kaliningrad. Why do so many people pretend to know what we’d be tempted to do?

You don't have an hours-long Królewiec origin story involving a divine fairy giving an "accidental" handjob to the wayward Přemysl the Ploughman to explain your inalienable right?

What kind of third rate country are you?

 

[Mike1976]

As it seems he can block Ukraine from getting into the EU, and has blocked EU aid before, your assumption is wrong.
I said it years ago there seems to be a plan to divide the EU, if, Hungary is put out, he will grant access to Russian Forces, Bulgaria will probably go the same way and Serbia eventually leading to Montenegro being pressured to join them, or an outright invasion thus giving ruSSia a port on the Mediterranean Coast.

Montenegro is in NATO, so invading would fix the whole Hungary/Bulgaria/Serbia/Russia problem all in one go. Regime change in the first three and dragging the saddles and sabres out of (very) long term storage for the latter along with a buffer zone on Russian soil to prevent future "navigation errors".

 

[Hiryu2.0]

Russia's plan for the United States • desk russie

The goal of the Kremlin, along with that of the high-tech oligarchs, is to create an irreversible situation in the United States by making it ungovernable.

desk-russie.info

 

[Picanha]

Medwedew called Merz a Nazi for wanting to supply Taurus to Ukraine.

 

[Mike1976]

Netherlands finished transfer of a Patriot battery to Ukraine, also allocated co-funding a British project for I-Hawk SAM with €150m.

An additional batch of F-16s was also recently transferred.