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He's not ruling anything, the security services of an actual Caliph wouldn't be barred from entering parts of their own cities.Mícron ruling the French Caliphate
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Full time comedy, the show goes on. Sebastien Lecornu, appointed by Macron to be prime minister, has just resigned. He never went further than presenting half of his government, all of them former ministers or confirmed macronists. We're entering uncharted waters...
Macron will probably dissolve the Parliament, but chances are this will not solve the problem as in all likelihood, it will remain hung. And this is but my personal opinion, but the only way out of the crisis is Macron's own resignation. Which, unfortunately, is still very unlikely at this stage.
https://fr.news.yahoo.com/live/seba...el-macron--suivez-notre-direct-075452558.html
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Though hilarious, I can't blame him for not wanting the job.
In fact I can't see anybody fit for it, to begin with. Considering the amount of issues that need solving, one regular (5 years) term wouldn't be enough; assuming everything goes according to plan, that is, which is never the case.
In fact I can't see anybody fit for it, to begin with. Considering the amount of issues that need solving, one regular (5 years) term wouldn't be enough; assuming everything goes according to plan, that is, which is never the case.
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Latest developments, things are indeed moving, and hopefully in the right direction. Macron is losing crucial supports : 2 former prime ministers of Macron, E. Phillipe & G. Attal, have declared they no longer want to be associated with macronism. They are, by all means, the 2 candidates likely to get the least disastrous score in a presidential election... Speaking of which, the same E. Philippe called for Macron to resign and call a presidential election, saying "this way of things would honor him" (as if Macron would care )
https://fr.yahoo.com/news/édouard-philippe-aujourdhui-létat-nest-062002326.html
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The whole world can point and laugh at France these days; freebie.
As for a new Presidential election in months to come (?), while it could be a good thing (getting rid of Macron that is), some rightly mention about the difficulty to set up a campaign in a few weeks. We are supposedly electing someone to govern for five years. Not promoting some cheerleader.
Also the issue is to set a precedent: as soon as the French will be tired of a President, as incompetent and obtuse he can be, the country will ask for his resignation.
Anyhow, nice little clusterfuck.
As for a new Presidential election in months to come (?), while it could be a good thing (getting rid of Macron that is), some rightly mention about the difficulty to set up a campaign in a few weeks. We are supposedly electing someone to govern for five years. Not promoting some cheerleader.
Also the issue is to set a precedent: as soon as the French will be tired of a President, as incompetent and obtuse he can be, the country will ask for his resignation.
Anyhow, nice little clusterfuck.
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Going to respectfully disagree with you on this, Jake.
The situation results from Macron's decision to dissolve the Parliament. While his friends won no clear majority in the 2022 election, his prime ministers had managed to navigate, avoiding a no-confidence vote and building ad hoc coalitions on different issues : sometimes passing with left wing votes, sometimes with right wing ones. This was widely unpopular, and the French gave a trouncing to the Macronists in the European elections last year.
While things could have continued this way till the presidential election in 2027, Macron chose to dissolve parliament, losing even more MPs and getting a hung parliament where ad hoc coalitions were near impossible to form, especially on the crucial budget question. He named 3 Prime Ministers in a year, Barnier, Bayrou and lastly Lecornu, each time closer and closer allies to his political formation. Each of them failed to govern effectively. The only sensible solution is another presidential election followed by another dissolution of Parliament. Except in 2022, each and every time a presidential election was followed by a legislative one, the newly elected president got a strong majority in Parliament.
Now, I agree with you that the improvised side of the process doesn't inspire confidence. But what other choice have we got?
The situation results from Macron's decision to dissolve the Parliament. While his friends won no clear majority in the 2022 election, his prime ministers had managed to navigate, avoiding a no-confidence vote and building ad hoc coalitions on different issues : sometimes passing with left wing votes, sometimes with right wing ones. This was widely unpopular, and the French gave a trouncing to the Macronists in the European elections last year.
While things could have continued this way till the presidential election in 2027, Macron chose to dissolve parliament, losing even more MPs and getting a hung parliament where ad hoc coalitions were near impossible to form, especially on the crucial budget question. He named 3 Prime Ministers in a year, Barnier, Bayrou and lastly Lecornu, each time closer and closer allies to his political formation. Each of them failed to govern effectively. The only sensible solution is another presidential election followed by another dissolution of Parliament. Except in 2022, each and every time a presidential election was followed by a legislative one, the newly elected president got a strong majority in Parliament.
Now, I agree with you that the improvised side of the process doesn't inspire confidence. But what other choice have we got?
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Not a lot that’s a granted. Considering this deadlock of a situation, let’s say go for an improvised Presidential campaign any of which I’m fine with. Macron is playing the clock, but he won’t escape a least new parliamentary elections.
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Not a lot in French media about that explosion. Apologies too for the dramatic picture : this would from some other event, and no one was injured. Sorry for, as you say, jumping the shark...
Regarding the political crisis, it is slowly unfolding : this time the macronist side scores a point, with the rejection of the motion of impeachment supported by LFI. Rumors are swirling on the web here : dissolution (though the chairwoman of the Parliament denied the subject was broached during her talks with Macron), "cohabitation" with a left wing government (meaning Macron stops any active role, leaving the Prime minister take all decisions) or even, God forbid, the infamous "article 16" of the Constiytuition, which gives, in times of crisis, teh right to the President to exert all powers (and was but once effectively in use, when De Gaulle had to contend with a military putsch in 1961).
Regarding the political crisis, it is slowly unfolding : this time the macronist side scores a point, with the rejection of the motion of impeachment supported by LFI. Rumors are swirling on the web here : dissolution (though the chairwoman of the Parliament denied the subject was broached during her talks with Macron), "cohabitation" with a left wing government (meaning Macron stops any active role, leaving the Prime minister take all decisions) or even, God forbid, the infamous "article 16" of the Constiytuition, which gives, in times of crisis, teh right to the President to exert all powers (and was but once effectively in use, when De Gaulle had to contend with a military putsch in 1961).
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"In practice, the centrist is an enfeebled leader unable to impose his policies on a fractured and fractious parliament. He is a lame duck hobbling towards the end of his scheduled term of office in 2027, and not even sure of getting that far.
The dangers are acute in a nation that throughout its history has been tempted to pull itself apart without a powerful leader to hold it together.
There is already a growing sense of disaffection with democracy. Many voters who backed the National Rally last year believe they were cheated out of victory when all the other parties joined forces against it."
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Seems like we spoke too soon, and underestimated Macrons ego (if that’s even possible). Dissolving the parliament is for now ruled out.
Rumors are that the left wants its own PM. While in the polls a vast majority of of the French population wants a right wing govt to reign, right wing being anything from Laurent Wauquiez, Eric Ciotti to Jordan Bardella.
Funny thing is how delusional the left is, as they assume we’d be content with them in power again. Cheers. That’s going to be a lot of fun when Macron appoints a new name as PM, and as for the popcorn Nansouty wanted before, we’ll need a decent corn harvest this year - onwards not to suddenly be on a shortage.
Rumors are that the left wants its own PM. While in the polls a vast majority of of the French population wants a right wing govt to reign, right wing being anything from Laurent Wauquiez, Eric Ciotti to Jordan Bardella.
Funny thing is how delusional the left is, as they assume we’d be content with them in power again. Cheers. That’s going to be a lot of fun when Macron appoints a new name as PM, and as for the popcorn Nansouty wanted before, we’ll need a decent corn harvest this year - onwards not to suddenly be on a shortage.
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From what I saw in the cornfields around Bordeaux, the harvest should be OK this year, so all news aren't bad...
Now, back to the unfolding comedy. Unsurprisingly, Macron does not step down. More unexpectedly, he doesn't dissolve the Parliament -yet- and is on the prowl to locate a suitable Prime Minister. A Socialist is very likely, to be tarred & feathered shortly afterwards as primo, they will be blocked by the united right and secundo, even worse, the left is so divided they won't agree on anything among themselves. Hope you like popcorn...
Lastly, a very interesting poll : Macron's approval rating is down to 14%. This is exactly the lowest score earned by his predecessor, Hollande. The difference being that that time, it was but shortly before the election and that Hollande still had a parliament majority to install a prime minister for more than a week...
https://elabe.fr/barometre-politique-oct-2025/
Now, back to the unfolding comedy. Unsurprisingly, Macron does not step down. More unexpectedly, he doesn't dissolve the Parliament -yet- and is on the prowl to locate a suitable Prime Minister. A Socialist is very likely, to be tarred & feathered shortly afterwards as primo, they will be blocked by the united right and secundo, even worse, the left is so divided they won't agree on anything among themselves. Hope you like popcorn...
Lastly, a very interesting poll : Macron's approval rating is down to 14%. This is exactly the lowest score earned by his predecessor, Hollande. The difference being that that time, it was but shortly before the election and that Hollande still had a parliament majority to install a prime minister for more than a week...
https://elabe.fr/barometre-politique-oct-2025/
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Macron will cling to power. he will double down just like he has always done before.
Anybody thinking otherwise is a naive fool in addition to having a non-existent attention span.
Dissolving the Parliament is non-viable, be it for Macron or the country. But either way it isn't as if that would make a difference, anyway, for both.
Scrubbing the barrel in an attempt to find someone to fill the PM's seat for a period of time; hoping he or she will be brave/masochistic enough to stay as long as possible; rinse and repeat if/when he or she resigns until the end of Macron's term. 2027 is not too far away, it can/could, theoretically, be done.
Polls don't matter. Sure they reflect "a" mood of "a" part of the people, but wether it is indeed "a ... of a ..." or "the ... of ... the", it is of no interest to those in power. "They don't like me? Oh well... guess I'm going to have to go shopping to cheer myself up."
As for pulling out the 16, that would be both egregious and laughably pathetic in comparison to De Gaulle's reason.
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You are right about Macron's attitude : he will indeed cling to his position. In the end, however, I have no doubt : he will have to go. Polls indeed have no value per se, they are just an indication of the loss of patience among the plebe. The mere fact that they are given any publicity, and that his resignation is more & more discussed, is IMO an indication of the weakening of his position. Loyalties, which is the ground on which any power ultimately relies, are fading fast...
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But the plebe is just that. The plebe.
And its worth is just as much as they are willing to give it.
Lack of patience and confidence was already very low, even before the past few months, and that dates back to even before Macron's first term.
He "gained" an eerily infamous reputation when he forced in Holland's economic reforms.
Then came the crackdown on the Yellow Jackets, his handling of COVID (his handling, but also his ministers' and spokespersons', and how everything got memory holed), his desire to focus on Ukraine instead of France, his disdain for everything not part of his social class (though he had the decency to not blurt a "sans-dents" like Holland), and the list goes on.
His position is, indeed, weak but he still remains the Captain of the ship. And he appears to be willing to go down with it, thus making him Captain until the end. Kind of a "La Garde Meurt Mais Ne Se Rend Pas", but without the nobility, the bravura and charisma.
However, yes, loyalties do play an important role. But who, among those still loyal, are influential enough to really matter.
The case of Giscard, to some extent, comes to mind with Chirac defecting being VGE's demise, at least in part. Except Chirac had an influence that can't be found, in any stretch or form, in the current French political landscape.
Those loyal to Macron, those following him are mostly orbiters. They are nothing much with him, they come out of nowhere, but they would be equally, or perhaps even more so, nothing without him.
And its worth is just as much as they are willing to give it.
Lack of patience and confidence was already very low, even before the past few months, and that dates back to even before Macron's first term.
He "gained" an eerily infamous reputation when he forced in Holland's economic reforms.
Then came the crackdown on the Yellow Jackets, his handling of COVID (his handling, but also his ministers' and spokespersons', and how everything got memory holed), his desire to focus on Ukraine instead of France, his disdain for everything not part of his social class (though he had the decency to not blurt a "sans-dents" like Holland), and the list goes on.
His position is, indeed, weak but he still remains the Captain of the ship. And he appears to be willing to go down with it, thus making him Captain until the end. Kind of a "La Garde Meurt Mais Ne Se Rend Pas", but without the nobility, the bravura and charisma.
However, yes, loyalties do play an important role. But who, among those still loyal, are influential enough to really matter.
The case of Giscard, to some extent, comes to mind with Chirac defecting being VGE's demise, at least in part. Except Chirac had an influence that can't be found, in any stretch or form, in the current French political landscape.
Those loyal to Macron, those following him are mostly orbiters. They are nothing much with him, they come out of nowhere, but they would be equally, or perhaps even more so, nothing without him.
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Nature hates vacuum, as we say here... Macron keeps hemorrhaging power as through a holed sieve. Someone else will pick up what he's losing, in the end.
He can't even manage to have a new prime minister.... I'd been waiting till we knew our new prime minister's name, as Macron had promised Wednesday. It's 10pm here, and still, no name. Likely candidates are so ridiculous, Lecornu again, Borloo, Cazeneuve, or why not, Hollande... A no confidence vote is quasi certain, so whoever is picked will likely last as long as Lecornu.
The press here is full of the anger of CEOs and employers at the economical mess he's creating. True powers are getting angry.The anger of the plebe matters little indeed, but it may become a convenient too to get rid of him. My gut feeling from what I'm reading, or seeing here at base level...
He can't even manage to have a new prime minister.... I'd been waiting till we knew our new prime minister's name, as Macron had promised Wednesday. It's 10pm here, and still, no name. Likely candidates are so ridiculous, Lecornu again, Borloo, Cazeneuve, or why not, Hollande... A no confidence vote is quasi certain, so whoever is picked will likely last as long as Lecornu.
The press here is full of the anger of CEOs and employers at the economical mess he's creating. True powers are getting angry.The anger of the plebe matters little indeed, but it may become a convenient too to get rid of him. My gut feeling from what I'm reading, or seeing here at base level...
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We will give you refuge @Jake84 just make sure to row your own dinghy over…..Lecornu re-appointed as PM after a week of negotiations, dumbassery, political meanderings.
Enough. All I have to say about this is :
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