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Lol, So far, no BYD dealership or cars has burned here. Last time i checked even FORD's CEO drives around in a Chinese EV to raise the alarm
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Well how come? Controlled by the state apparatus which has the goal to steal the (dumb) capitalists technology. To then do nothing and stay as is for the next decades. That is reflected in build quality.
The SU7 is far away from a Porsche as are all other Chinese cars. And I think money is indeed a problem there.
Notwithstanding the fact that they recklessly "reach goals".
We just have stricter rules to avoid this:
An SU7
Drive Pilot level 3 Mercedes EQS can be driven worldwide like that:
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A great analysis!
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See how good I am being here. See.
I could draw a false comparison to the past. And it would be false, because VW today has no relevancy to the distant past.
They should indeed be careful where they source parts today. Everybody should. One shudders to think how many spare parts I buy off websites actually come from some horrible origin.
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Well its not like they do nothing, their trains for example have evolved into something else totally. Their EV's are going the same route, so much so that Japanese car companies are working with them now. I know the German build and quality is something else, but dont ever fall for the idea that the "chinese will just copy and and paste." There are a lot of innovations that's already coming out of China, to deny that would be the biggest mistake for the west.
"recklessly reach goals" might be scary for the West but for the Eastern mindset its a means to and end. This pushes tech and innovation faster... albeit not necessarily safer.
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I see just incremental improvements of existing technologies with a head start during we lift you up to this point for ssles in China.
I am sceptical not because I believe we in the West are superhumans its because of the authoritarian nature and the need to deliver a "story".
And I believe still that key technologies come from western universities to this day.
China has the paper mills which fits nicely into all other" parameters" to show off.
We do realize advancements but its easy to get 80% but very hard to reach 100%.
They'll get to this point sooner or later.
Things I don't get is the internet always gives you some Chinese advancements info but nothing tangible only the huge scientific paper productions as reference but then this:
de.wikipedia.org
I asked people who tell me China is in our league what they can show for as an example then stuff like LED lights comes (Was a Japanes who then also got the Nobel prize for it in 1992) or technologies like solar inverters where Fraunhofer Institute had to constantly defend its HERIC architecture against copies.
Anyway I think only half is true and things like this add to my impression:
"This defensive posture transforms enterprises from conduits of wealth distribution into nodes of wealth retention. When companies prioritize survival over expansion, the gains recorded in national accounts fail to cascade down to workers and consumers. As a result, while the macroeconomic statistics continue to register growing activity, the microeconomic reality for households has stagnated."
I am sceptical not because I believe we in the West are superhumans its because of the authoritarian nature and the need to deliver a "story".
And I believe still that key technologies come from western universities to this day.
China has the paper mills which fits nicely into all other" parameters" to show off.
We do realize advancements but its easy to get 80% but very hard to reach 100%.
They'll get to this point sooner or later.
Things I don't get is the internet always gives you some Chinese advancements info but nothing tangible only the huge scientific paper productions as reference but then this:
Michel Devoret – Wikipedia
I asked people who tell me China is in our league what they can show for as an example then stuff like LED lights comes (Was a Japanes who then also got the Nobel prize for it in 1992) or technologies like solar inverters where Fraunhofer Institute had to constantly defend its HERIC architecture against copies.
Anyway I think only half is true and things like this add to my impression:
"This defensive posture transforms enterprises from conduits of wealth distribution into nodes of wealth retention. When companies prioritize survival over expansion, the gains recorded in national accounts fail to cascade down to workers and consumers. As a result, while the macroeconomic statistics continue to register growing activity, the microeconomic reality for households has stagnated."
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In essence the standards we have for us should also apply elsewhere.
No child labour no forced labour no massive environmental damages.
Can't destroy far away places and then chill on the Cote d'Azur with your money.
VW had a big PR desaster with that issue..
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This practice of mass producing papers and patents is already eroding science and leading to problems because of citations of lets say creative facts.
They produce them like a news article cobbled together from different sources with some mojo added voila we are the top science nation.
Very dangerous if you can not trust these papers anymore.
They produce them like a news article cobbled together from different sources with some mojo added voila we are the top science nation.
Very dangerous if you can not trust these papers anymore.
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From the article above..
"The Chinese narrative of alleged innovative dominance rests primarily on a manipulation of numbers that appear impressive to Western audiences but, upon closer inspection, prove largely to be systemic artifacts rather than evidence of genuine technological breakthroughs. In Western economic systems, a patent is a tool for protecting commercial innovation: filing and maintaining one entails real
A similar mechanism operates in the realm of scientific publications. China’s research system is largely built around subsidizing the quantity of publications rather than their genuine scientific impact. Publishing becomes an end in itself, detached from breakthrough value or replicability of results. In recent years, this has been compounded by the extensive use of content-automation and generation tools, including artificial intelligence, which enables the production of vast volumes of papers at minimal intellectual cost. A significant role in this ecosystem is played by high-throughput Open Access journals, formally registered in Switzerland but in practice heavily supplied by Chinese authors, reviewers, and editorial boards. Hundreds of thousands of publications per year create the appearance of scientific power, while simultaneously inflating content and eroding traditional quality-control mechanisms. Quantity replaces quality, and statistics displace meaning."
"The Chinese narrative of alleged innovative dominance rests primarily on a manipulation of numbers that appear impressive to Western audiences but, upon closer inspection, prove largely to be systemic artifacts rather than evidence of genuine technological breakthroughs. In Western economic systems, a patent is a tool for protecting commercial innovation: filing and maintaining one entails real
A similar mechanism operates in the realm of scientific publications. China’s research system is largely built around subsidizing the quantity of publications rather than their genuine scientific impact. Publishing becomes an end in itself, detached from breakthrough value or replicability of results. In recent years, this has been compounded by the extensive use of content-automation and generation tools, including artificial intelligence, which enables the production of vast volumes of papers at minimal intellectual cost. A significant role in this ecosystem is played by high-throughput Open Access journals, formally registered in Switzerland but in practice heavily supplied by Chinese authors, reviewers, and editorial boards. Hundreds of thousands of publications per year create the appearance of scientific power, while simultaneously inflating content and eroding traditional quality-control mechanisms. Quantity replaces quality, and statistics displace meaning."
China is on a ‘strong currency’ mission to make the yuan a global reserve: Xi
Xi Jinping says the goal of becoming an international powerhouse is a long-term one and will rest on core foundations.
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Xi’s control of his regime is looking ever more Stalinist | The Strategist
With repeated purges, Xi Jinping increasingly resembles Joseph Stalin in controlling the regime that he leads. The Chinese Communist Party general secretary and national president shows widespread distrust of lieutenants. Their loyalty to him earlier ...
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General threatening Xi
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China trying everything to offload their stuff tariff free.
China has a stagnating market without expansion.
They are in a competetive displacement rather than in an expanding market.
Now BYDs factory in Hungary (Where else) shall be the gateway to Europes car market.
EU should impose special tariffs or cancel full market access on countries like Hungary serving as gateways for adversary economies and countries.
BYD breaks through tariff restrictions, shipping over 900 EVs from Thailand plant to Europe
China's new energy vehicle leader BYD Auto has made headlines for aggressively expanding its overseas market. Its earlier plans to export electric vehicles (EVs) to Taiwan via its Thailand factory drew attention and prompted countermeasures from Taiwan's Ministry of Economic Affairs (MOEA)...
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China has a stagnating market without expansion.
They are in a competetive displacement rather than in an expanding market.
Now BYDs factory in Hungary (Where else) shall be the gateway to Europes car market.
EU should impose special tariffs or cancel full market access on countries like Hungary serving as gateways for adversary economies and countries.
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Here what the EU can expect!
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^^
Regarding their "quality" I don't buy into that. Engineering experience shows it all has a price. Which probably only shows later.
No market at home so commie cars go to the West so nobody earns any money anymore in the future
Time to put the iron curtain up again. Its not missing much, they will do it on their own eventually at the moment they keep it open in one direction to help themselves from the Wests shelves while simultaneously tightening the grip at home.
Regarding their "quality" I don't buy into that. Engineering experience shows it all has a price. Which probably only shows later.
No market at home so commie cars go to the West so nobody earns any money anymore in the future
Time to put the iron curtain up again. Its not missing much, they will do it on their own eventually at the moment they keep it open in one direction to help themselves from the Wests shelves while simultaneously tightening the grip at home.
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And the same game continues on the other side of the planet agressor prepares then throws a tantrum when potentual victims rearm...
www.japantimes.co.jp
China issues dual-use blacklist of 20 Japanese entities
Special permission will be needed to export dual-use items to these companies, institutions and agencies.
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The Chinese window closes which makes times dangerous. The artificial boom is over.
Their finances are probably much worse than published.
www.aa.com.tr
Their finances are probably much worse than published.
China's domestic financial imbalances at record highs: Fitch
Fitch says high household savings, sluggish consumption, and recent decline in capital spending have all made domestic financial imbalances in China rise - Anadolu Ajansı
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Merz in China I hope he shows some seriousness and does not continue the idiotic path which brought us here..
www.dw.com
Massive tariffs for select China goods in the EU needed but Germany wants its cake and eat it too.
I would let China dump their stuff in third world markets and only do select competition on high margin products or keep advantages we still have by not "cooperating" with China.
China can then serve the cheap low margin third world markets.
Keeping them out of the EU markets is essential.
China is a lying S**t sack supporting Russia won't give shits on their promises only hard facts should count.
China shock: Rivalry tests Merz and German economy
Chancellor Friedrich Merz is scrambling to defend German industry from the economic upheaval caused by intense rivalry from China. Momentum is building to impose new trade barriers to stop unfair trade practices.
www.dw.com
Massive tariffs for select China goods in the EU needed but Germany wants its cake and eat it too.
I would let China dump their stuff in third world markets and only do select competition on high margin products or keep advantages we still have by not "cooperating" with China.
China can then serve the cheap low margin third world markets.
Keeping them out of the EU markets is essential.
China is a lying S**t sack supporting Russia won't give shits on their promises only hard facts should count.
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